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HomeMy WebLinkAboutDocumentation_Regular_Tab 5B_3/7/1996 0, . ,orYleir t, 58 Op. VILLAGE OF TEQUESTA DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEvdCPMENT � Post Office Box 3273 • 357 Tequesta Drive 7- 'w .' Tequesta, Florida 33469-0273•(407)575-6220 v'e.�,. .�_OP Fax:(407)575-6239 • VILLAGE OF TEQUESTA COMMUNITY APPEARANCE BOARD MEETING MINUTES JANUARY 30, 1996 I . CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL The Tequesta Community Appearance Board held a meeting at the Village Hall, 357 Tequesta Drive, Tequesta, Florida, , on Tuesday, January 30, 1996. The meeting was called to order at 9: 41 A.M. by Chair Leslie Cook. Boardmembers present were: Chair Leslie Cook, Vice Chair Vic Strahan, Paul Coben, Claudette Dalack, Alternate Molly McCormick, and Alternate Marcia Nielson. Also in attendance was Scott D. Ladd, Clerk of the Board. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA The agenda was approved with the addition under Any Other Matters of discussion of. the motion as described in a letter to Joseph W. Capra, P.B. , involving the action taken by the Board in regard to Sterling House. The Board briefly discussed that they did not believe the motion had included the wording "asphalt shingles." III. APPROVAL OF PREVIOUS FETING MINUTES There were no minutes submitted for approval. IV. NEW BUSINESS There was no new business to come before the Board. • Recycled Paper ' COMMUNITY APPSARANCS BOARD MISTING MD13T88 • JANL RY 30, 1996 FAGS 2 V. UNFINISHED BJ8IN888 1. Deferred from the December 28, 1995 joint Council/CAB meeting: Sterling House, 205 Village Blvd. , a 42-unit extended care +Facility. Joseph Capra, P.S. , Creech Engineers, Inc. , agent. Mr. Pete Russell, representative for Sterling House, discussed the changes which had been made since the last meeting. Mr. Russell explained that all of the suggestions made in item 3 of the letter received from Clerk of the Board Scott D. Ladd dated January 15, 1996 concerning landscaping had been made, except all 12-foot trees shall have a minimum 3" caliper. Mr. Russell stated that the applicant wanted trees between 12' and 14' , and a minimum 3" caliper tree would have a height of 16' , or 2'-3' taller than desired. Mr. Russell explained that there were 93 trees and this requirement would cause expense ,which had not been counted upon. Mr. Russell stated that everything else in the landscaping was per the Board' s suggestions. Discussion ensued regarding whether to relax the requirement. Chair Cook favored keeping the requirement for the trees in front. Mr. Russell agreed, and explained that the landscape architect had wanted trees to break up the roof line in the front, and that the live oaks and palms were greater than 12' in height. The trees which the requirement would affect included mahogany and tabebuia. Chair Cook commented that when driving by the property, only the front and west sides would be seen, and larger trees should be requested for those areas. During the discussion, Mr. Russell clarified that he -was requesting that there be no caliper requirement, only height. The Board discussed the height of the trees in relation to the height of the roof, which the architect verified to be 25 feet from the ground to the top of the roof. After the discussion, Chair Cook commented that she was inclined to ask for the biggest trees that the Board could get; Vice Chair Strahan cautioned that the Board had asked for 12' trees with a 3" caliper and the applicant was saying the trees would be 12' but might not necessarily have a 3" caliper. Chair Cook questioned COMMUNITY APPZARANCZ BOARD NUT/ G WDIUT86 JANUARY 30, 1996 PAQi 3 whether the Board wanted to require 3" caliper for the front and west side. Boardmember Coben responded that he would expect that the contractor would place the largest trees he had on the front and on the west and that 'as part of the Board' s acceptance of the plan that the Landscape Architect would be an active participant in the planting. Boardmember Coben made a motion to relax the request for 3" caliper and to hold the contractor to full 12-foot trees. Vice Chair Strahan seconded the motion. The motion carried by a vote of 4-1, with Chair Leslie Cook voting against the motion. Alternate Marcia Nielson left the meeting at 10: 15 A.M. Mr. Russell reviewed changes which had been made to the exterior of the building, and commented that the Board' s comments to make the building a bit more Mediterranean had been considered. Mr. Russell explained that the applicant had been sensitive to the comments regarding the darker color of the roof, and had looked at a similar roof down the street which had been approved. Mr. Russell commented that arches had been added to reflect Mediterranean styling around the front porch, over the windows, and on the dormers. Mr. Russell explained that the Dutch hips had been eliminated and replaced with straight gables. The paint color had been changed to a pinkish color typical of Mizner styling, and the roof color had been lightened. Mr. Russell offered a choice of two elevations, one in which the exterior walls were the pinkish color with a greenish slate color roof, and the other in which the exterior walls were a shade of yellow with a roof in tones of brown. Mr. Russell commented that the roof pitch had been made more shallow. The architect, Mr. Donahue, explained that the height of the roof had literally been lowered by 3 feet, which had been accomplished by making a shallower slope. Chair Cook asked what the reason was for not going with a real Mediterranean look. Mr. Russell replied that he • thought they had by making the modifications. Chair Cook commented that if they had gone to all the trouble to COMMUNITY APP'RARAN= BOARD MUTING WINUTS6 JANUARY 30, 1996 • PA= 4 redo the roof that they could have made it more Mediterranean. Vice Chair Strahan commented that there was a question regarding the letter which was sent to the applicant and that the Board felt the letter was not a true interpretation of the motion made, and that Mr. Russell had told Vice Chair Strahan that he would look into other roof materials, however, the roof was the same material as in the prior plan. Mr. Russell responded that they did look into other roof materials but those did not fit their budget. Mr. Russell explained they had looked at concrete type tile and at fiberglass composite, and the cost of the tile was better than twice as much as the asphalt shingles. Chair Cook asked if the roof would then cost $200, 000. Mr. Russell stated that it would not, however, the cost went deeper than just tile since it would require thicker plywood and stronger trusses. Mr. Russell stated the applicant did not think the composite material looked good and did not like it. Vice Chair Strahan asked whether the steel roof suggested by Mr. Ladd at the last meeting had been considered. Vice Chair Strahan referred to brochures he had brought to the meeting showing different composite roofing materials which did not require any change in truss structure. Chair Cook commented that for the changes that were made and for the money it would cost to do those changes that they could have come up with just a Spanish look. Boardmember McCormick commented that this was the applicant's design and the Board could not ask him to make a Spanish design. Boardmember Dalack commented that had been what the Board had been trying to say and it had been very clear. Chair Cook commented that the money spent on the dormers could be spent on tile. Mr. Russell explained that the dormers were only there to break up the roof. In response to a question regarding whether before a building like this came before the Town, someone , told an applicant what kind of architecture was desired, Mr. Ladd commented that every applicant was advised of the Board's desires, and that in this case he had advised Joe Capra and had discussed the fact that the Town always leaned heavily towards Mediterranean styling. Boardmember, Dalack commented that at the prior meeting this had been gone over, and the applicant had said that COMMUNITY APPEARANCE BOARD MUTING MINUTES JANUARY 30, 1996 , PAQZ.5 Mizner styling, had been just a flash in ' the pan. ' Mr. ' Russell stated that their building had stucco and quoins, . that they had accomplished a South Florida look, and that his architect was a South. Florida architect who designed South Florida properties. Boardmember Dalack suggested that a motion be made to • defer this plan to the Village Council, however, Clerk of the Board Ladd advised that could not be done_ since the Board must take. action and if that action was rejection . of the plan, then the applicant could appeal to Council, or the applicant' could come back to the Community Appearance Board with a different plan. Chair Cook commented this was a nice looking plan but that this would set a precedent for lot of property that would be developed and this was the Board' s chance to set the tone for that development. Boardmember McCormick. questioned whether all of the new buildings could be made to look like this, and stated that requirements must be very specific. When, Mr. Russell questioned whether the building would be approved with a • tile roof, Chair Cook responded that the building did not have a Mediterranean look, and what the Board was asking would not tax their budget. Boardmember Coben commented that the applicant had just lowered the roof line and knew he would have to redesign the trusses to accomplish,' that, and asked how the building could be made to look more Mediterranean. Boardmember Dalack responded that specific items had been mentioned at the last meeting, such as the dormer windows and the roof line. Boardmember McCormick asked that the applicant be given an example, to which Chair Cook responded that there was • a Spanish-looking building right next door to the project ,which was the K-Mart at County Line Plaza. Mr. Russell objected that he did not want this building to look at all commercial, and that a mansard roof would make it look commercial. Chair Cook commented that he could come up with a simple stucco building with a Mediterranean feel, and that if a count were made of buildings in Palm Beach County that 75% would have a Mediterranean feel, and indicated that going back 100 years that had not been the case since at that time the Central _Florida look was • COMMUNITY UNITY A PIA ANCX BOARD MUTING mI ms • JANUARY 30, 1996 • PALM i • used. .Discussion ensued regarding use of mansard roofs in commercial and in residential buildings, and the opinion that mansard roofs made a building look ' commercial rather than residential. Chair Cook indicated that she could provide addresses of, residential homes which had mansard roofs. When asked whether he considered a mansard roof, to look commercial or residential, Mr. Ladd expressed his opinion that it provided a commercial'col:. Mr. Ladd 'commented that Coconut Cove had been approved with Key West style buildings but that ' it was not seen. Chair Cook expressed concern that if Sterling . House did not stay in business that the Village would be • :eft with the building. Vice Chair Strahan stated that what was being said to the applicant was that the Board wanted to be able topoint everyone else to go look at Sterling House and come up with something comparable. Boardmember Dalack asked the other Boartheabera whether they. would approve an asphalt roof with this building, and all , said no. Boardnmember Cohen commented that the discussion was not about the roof or changing the floor plan, and the only thing "that • the applicant could be asked to do was to change the facade to be less objectionable; and -also stated he did not have a.problem with this new design and would accept it with a tile roof, but that this would not be a building to hold up are what the Board wanted, although it was ouch nicer than the post office and the house next door. Mr. Russell stated this had come up at the last meet:nq, and that this roof was nowhere close to the post , orrice roof. Some Boardmembers commented that the Board did net have a choice regarding the post office roof; • Boardmemmber Coben said there was a choice but. the Board had been hoodwinked into accepting that roof. • • Vice Chair Strahan questioned the architect regarding takiaq. out the dormer windows and using composite tile • material with the lowered roof line. The architect • • responded that certain elements distinguished the building as residential and were used deliberately to • communicate a residential theme, and' some of those e lomre:,:s were the dormer windows, the front porch, and the a = rport. The architect commented that there were C0144UNITY APPLARAMZ HOARD MUTING WINUTZS JANUARY 30, 1996 RAGS 7 other things to consider and that you could get into traps when talking about things which make a building Spanish or Mediterranean style, and that this building did have some of those elements and was a good looking building. Chair Cook agreed, but stated it was not the look she envisioned for that whole area. Boardmember Dalack questioned whether the architect was saying he could not design a Mediterranean style to look like a home. Architect Donahue responded that was not what he was saying, but he thought there were elements in this plan that would show up in a Mediterranean style house, i.e. , color, quoins, raised banding or other type arches; and that the only distinctions which he believed were not typical Mediterranean styling were the cupola and the roof material. Architect Donahue commented that the only next step would be to go to a clay tile roof, because. clay tile gave a different patina and gradations of color; however, this image was not what the stockholders wanted, and clay tile was simply not an option in this project. The roof samples shown in the two elevations were displayed. Further discussion ensued regarding different roof materials and the applicant' s obligations to lenders, stockholders, and the people who would live in Sterling House. Chair Cook stated the Board had obligations to the people living in the Village and the people who would want to live in Tequesta because it was a beautiful town; and explained that the Board wanted everyone's property values to increase. Boardmember McCormick asked whether this would be approved in another location, such as on a side street, since one had been approved near her home. Boardmember Coben stated that the Board would have to get the Village to come up with , a code. Mr. Ladd commented that tile roofs had been going away. Chair Cook commented that people had been losing interest because of the blight downtown. Vice Chair Strahan addressed Mr. Russell and stated he had heard the basis of the discussion and asked whether he was prepared to make any suggestions.. Mr. Russell responded he thought they had. Composite roof materials were discussed further and Mr. Russell' s opinion that COMMUNITY APPEARANCE HOARD MUTING NIImTSS JANUARY 30, 1996 PAGE 8 they had a shiny, gas station look. Vice Chair Strahan referred Mr. Russell to an A-frame with a composite roof that looked nice which was located on U.S. One a 'mile north. Chair Cook stated she hoped the Board would think long and hard about this and that she thought this was not in the Board' s plan. Chair Cook stated she thought the applicant could have compromised. Boardmember Coben made a motion to accept the building as proposed with Moore-O-Matio 101 Base 2 for the walls and 102 base 3 for the quoins and the R1 Praatique 2 oolor roof material in antique slate, and the matching sign as proposed. Boardmomber McCormick seconded the motion. Discussion of the motion ensued, during which Chair Cook asked Boardmember McCormick whether she was going to go with a building that was not Mediterranean and stated she might as well go to non-Mediterranean because this was not a Mediterranean building. Boardmemibar McCormick stated she would like Tequesta to grow and was encouraging growth; that. some of this was nit-picking and some was extremely important; and because of the location she believed this building was fines and did not think she was setting -a precedent. Boardmember Dalack questioned what kind of growth was being encouraged, commented that this was not the only approval which could be granted for this parcel and that other proposals had coma before the Village Council, and that this Board did not always have all of the aspects of things presented to them. Boardmember McCormick commented she had lived in the Village for six years and wanted it to grow. After other comments, Vice Chair Strahan questioned whether the applicant would agreed to a better roof of textured composite material. Mr. Russell responded that he was not going to take a chance on a composite material looking like a commercial roof since he did not know what it would look like and he knew how a sculptured asphalt shingle roof looked. Chair Cook expressed sadness that building materials were going downward instead of being upgraded and indicated that she was so desperate she could pick a white roof with yellow walls, which would be a Bermuda look. There was discussion whether to change the motion. Mr. Russell commented on the mildew problem with a COMMUNITY APPIARANCZ BOARD MIMING MINIMS JANUARY 30, 1996 PAM 9 white roof, to which Chair Cook responded that maintenance was necessary. Chair Cook called for a vote on the existing motion. The vote on the motion was: Leslie Cook - against Vic Strahan - against Paul Coben - against Claudette Dalack - against Mollie McCormick - against The motion therefore failed. Boardmember Coben made a motion that the contractor be requested to build the version shown in the yellows but with a white concrete tile roof or suitable substitute if there was ono. Vios Chair Strahan seconded the motion. The vote on the motion was: Leslie Cook - against Via Strahan - for Paul Coben - for Claudette Dalack - against Mollie McCormick - against The motion therefore failed by a vote of 2 in favor, and 3 against the motion. Discussion followed in which Boardmember McCormick explained that her vote was based on the applicant's statement that he could not build the project with a tile roof. Vice Chair. Strahan commented that the applicant was saying he would not build the project with a tile roof, which was not the same thing. Clerk of the Board Ladd indicated that the applicant's budget was not an issue with this Board, and that the Board was basically asking for a complete redesign. Mr. Ladd commented that the Board had made two motions and should vote on whether to deny the project. Vice Chair Strahan stated that it had been denied in the first motion. Chair Cook advised the applicant that they could CCMtUIN I TY APPEARANCE BOARD MEETING MINUTES aANUARY 30, 1996 PAGE 10 certainly appeal to the Village Council or redesign. Clerk of the Board Ladd stated that if the applicant redesigned to Mediterranean that they could come back to this Board. Chair Cook commented that it was possible that the applicant' s investors might want this project in the town and agree to adjust to the Mediterranean style which the town wanted. Mr. Ladd advised that the applicant had three options, to adjust the style to Mediterranean, to appeal to the Village Council, or to decide not to build. Vice Chair Strahan stated that it was officially on the record ,that this application was being rejected, but if the applicant wished to come back with a building that was in a Mediterranean residential style the Board` would review it. VI. C7NICATION FROM CITIZENS Waade Griest reminded the Board that the reason for their existence was that the Council was waiting for their advice, and that Mr. Russell had a brave heart putting up with what he had, inasmuch as the Council had admitted at the Council meeting they were not that familiar with the ordinance allowing this type of facility, which under that ordinance this building could be built and would exist. Mr. Griest commented that now the Council was asking the advice of this Board regarding how the building should appear. Mr. Griest commented that the Board was charging this applicant with setting a- precedent for the whole area, and he did not think all of Tequesta looked Mediterranean. Mr. Griest asked the Board to remember the applicant was trying to build a commercial building with a residential look, and that it was unknown what either Mr. Van Brock or Mr. DiVosta were planning to build. Mr. Griest stated he was unsure what the • procedure would now be when this came before the Village Council, and that this was a very tough situation. Vice Chair Strahan commented that before this matter came before the Village Council that the Community Appearance Board should provide photographs or some sort of guidance along the lines the Board was trying to achieve. Boardmember Coben stated he did not feel that it was COM4JNITY •APPRARANCR BOARD MEETING MINUTES JANUARY 30, 1996 PAGE 11 • necessary for the Board to legislate style, but did think it • was important for the Board to enforce class. Boardmember Coben commented that he knew when he saw something whether or not it was classy, and that was why everyone felt bad when they saw Carriage House replacing their roof, because it looked classy when it had a tile roof, and tile implied class. Boardmember Coben stated he saw nothing wrong with the Sterling House building if it had a nice roof and he was amazed when Boardmember -McCormick changed her vote. Vice Chair Strahan agreed with Boardmember Coben and stated he did not believe it was within the Board' s responsibility to judge. what might or might not happen. Boardmember Coben stated that the Board had learned it was too hard to legislate .style, but they could legislate quality, which was what had been discussed, that there was nothing wrong with • the building with a tile roof, and that now the Council would probably just accept it. VII.- ANY. OTHER MATTERS Chair Cook commented that ' she believed something had happened with the motion as stated in the letter to the applicant. It was suggested that it would be appropriate for Chair Cook to listen to the- tape. VIII. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 11:30 A.M. Respectfully submitted, • etty Laur Recording Secretary 4 • CQJN I TT APPEARANCE BOARD MUTING MINUUS JANUARY 30, 1996 PAGE 12 ATTEST: 2Z /:• 1. i Scott D. Ladd ?7' Clerk of the Board DATE APPROVED: