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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes_Workshop_06/06/2006MINUTES VILLAGE OF TEQUESTA VILLAGE COUNCIL WORKSHOP TUESDAY, JUNE 6, 2006 5:00 P.M. I. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL The Tequesta Village Council held a Village Council Workshop Meeting at the Tequesta Recreation Center, 399 Seabrook Road, Tequesta, Florida, on Tuesday, June 6, 2006. The meeting was called to order at 5:03 p.m. A roll call was taken by Village Clerk Gwen Carlisle. Council Members present were: Mayor Jim Humpage, Council Member Pat Watkins, and Vice-Mayor Tom Paterno. Also in attendance were: Village Manager Michael R. Couzzo, Jr., Attorney Scott Hawkins, Village Clerk Gwen Carlisle, and Department Heads. Council Member Genco was absent from roll call, and arrived at 5:40 p.m.. II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE All those in attendance stood for the Pledge of Allegiance. III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Council Member Watkins moved to approve the agenda, as submitted; seconded by Vice-Mayor Paterno; motion passed 3-0. • Mayor Humpage commented that they were waiting on Council Member Genco to arrive, and requested that the agenda be re-ordered. Mayor Humpage requested to move the ~Ot" Anniversary to the first agenda item, placing licensing second, and the golf carts item last. 1) Village of Tequesta 50th Anniversary Mayor Humpage explained that Dorothy Campbell and her associate, Alice, would be the overseers, working with Cerese, Jeff, and Leslie Cook, who was not present. The Mayor thanked them all and introduced Mrs. Campbell. Mrs. Campbell explained their committee also included Greg Corbitt, and they could not function without him. Mrs. Cam~bell explained they had 362 days and that the target date; the SOt" anniversary is June 4t . She stated the Village was founded in 1957. Mrs. Campbell indicated she would review the bulletin in order to get the blessing from the council and then she would proceed with more definitive facts, figures and so forth. She explained they would like to call the event Tequesta's Golden Tribute. She stated the 25t" anniversary was Tequesta's Tribute, but 50 years is the golden anniversary. Mrs. Campbell explained when they had the 25t" anniversary, the 6-day celebration had been too long, and it had been hard to work with a committee of seventeen people. She • advised that the current committee was functioning well, and few sub-chairmen might be Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 2 • added, but it was much easier to work with a smaller group of positive people. She proposed a 3-day celebration on Saturday, Sunday and Monday, June 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. Friday, the 1St of June would be the last day of school, so the celebration would start on Saturday. Mrs. Campbell indicated the scrapbook from the 25t" anniversary was available, invited everyone to go through and take a look at it to get an idea of the events, and proposed to do another scrapbook for the 50th anniversary. She was hoping to elicit sponsors to reduce the cost, and hoped each proposed event would be self-sustaining. She explained the excess money raised from these events could be used for Tequesta Park, perhaps funding trees and so forth. Mrs. Campbell commented they would like to repeat some of the events; they had used asummons-type invitation for one of the events which was very successful; people thought they were in big trouble. She proposed that when the holiday banners came down from the light post standard brackets after December, that the golden tribute banners of the same size would go up and stay there so that would be a six-month notice to publicize the event. Using the light posts was suggested because posters could not be used in many locations. Mrs. Campbell announced one of the fundraisers suggested was a personalized memorial brick sidewalk in regard to the construction of the new Village Hall. She stated they were going to use fifty bricks wherever they could, and hoped to sell each brick for $50.00-it would be nice if each member of a family bought a brick. She mentioned the official seal. Mrs. Campbell suggested that the Village consider getting attractive seals to • use on correspondence, to be used after the first of the year, so that every time a mailing was received by someone it would remind them that the SOt" anniversary was coming up. Mrs. Campbell requested the Village Council to authorize the Village Manager to send a letter to the Loxahatchee Historical Society requesting the return of their painting. She explained that at the 25t" anniversary they had Larry Osso who is a wonderful local painter do a rather large portrait of the Indians as they were, and it hung in the old Village Hall. She stated that some people objected to the fact that the Indian woman was naked so it was donated to the Loxahatchee Historical Society; it was never hung in a place of prominence over there and she felt at this particular time it would be nice if they had their painting back. She stated the painting was specifically designed as a commemorative thing; it had borders on the edge that had little brass plaques on them that listed all the council members and bigger black plaques on the bottom for the mayors, so it shouldn't be in the closet somewhere. She stated that at Bessie DuBois's instruction, he depicted the proper Indian, which was a Jeaga-Jobe Indian, not the Tequesta Indian, which was a wonderful real estate play used by Charlie Martin. She stated that he also included on the painting all the natural flora and fauna that existed in the area, the right frog, the good birds, etc. She asked the Village Manager if he could send that letter requesting the return of the painting. The Council Members discussed the size of the painting. Mrs. Campbell stated they wanted to have a logo contest working with Greg Corbitt, who had held a logo contest for the skateboard facility. Once that logo was established then • they would use that along with their proper golden anniversary. She also mentioned that 2 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 3 • you could have stamps made for correspondence, apersonalized stamp with the Tequesta Indian on the stamp might be fun to do. Mrs. Campbell advised the Village Council had received a copy of the 25th anniversary booklet on buttercup gold paper, and all copies she provided would be on that paper so they won't get them confused with other items. She proposed that they duplicate this brochure booklet, cutting it down to twenty pages, and suggested working with Sir Speedy since they printed the Village's newsletter. Mrs. Campbell requested Council to go through the brochure and advise if there is anything they particularly did not want or did want. She reported she asked the Village Clerk, Gwen Carlisle, to see if she could find the originals in the archives so they could be used again, and also contacted the Chamber of Commerce to see if they had pictures. The centerfold in the booklet contained the program of events, which she proposed to repeat. The Village Clerk had advised 4,000 copies of the newsletter were printed, and 3,500 mailed. Mrs. Campbell indicated she would like a quote to do 5,000 booklets, mail out 3,500, and have a backlog of to be given to new residents. Mrs. Campbell noted the tee shirts for the 25`h anniversary were beige with brown printing and looked like bad uniforms, and suggested using the chosen logo on tee shirts for the 50th anniversary, and selling them, giving them away, and/or having employees wear them. She requested council approval regarding what was going to be done, before she spent a lot of time getting bids, quotes, etc., for a budget. She hoped most of this could be self-sustaining; the photo album could be created without a professional photographer; local merchants would be contacted to offer fifty related promotions and discounts during the event weekend such as 50% off specials at some restaurants, 50% off specials at some of the merchandise shops. Wherever they could bring in the 50 they would try to do it. The committee planned to start working on the publicity once they knew a little bit more regarding what would be done, and would start with announcing the dates and so forth in the next Village newsletter. They planned to locate a copy of the 1958 telephone directory, which was about 3 '/z pages, to see who is still around. Mrs. Campbell referred to the proposed schedule for Saturday, June 2"d° stating it would start with a parade; they had a fine parade last time and even had Waste Management and garbage trucks and a guy dressed up like a dumpster. She stated the route was yet to be determined, and they were talking with the Fire and Police departments regarding the route. The parade would end at Constitution Park with various park activities. Mr. Corbitt felt that most of the park activities should be held there because Tequesta Park had been so denuded by the hurricanes. Activities would include an Arts and Crafts show, Busch Wildlife exhibit, plant sales, and other miscellaneous fun things. She proposed that since the egg hunt is such a successful activity, that on that day or an alternate day, perhaps that Monday, holding a golden coin hunt, perhaps on Village Green, using goody bags. Chocolate coins would not be used for the hunt because they would melt, but the winner might receive a basket of chocolate coins. • 3 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 4 Mrs. Campbell suggested having an employee appreciation dinner/dance at Tequesta Country Club on Saturday evening to express thanks from the residents to the people who take care of the Village. Mrs. Campbell reported during the bicentennial year the 4th of July fell on a Sunday, and local churches did not want activities on that day because it was God's day, and she had told them that God in His infinite wisdom planned it so that their activities would fall on a Sunday. Thus, she'd like the local churches to bless them, and possibly hold a pancake breakfast at the Legion Hall or St. Jude's. They would also like to have aVillage-wide open house, well illustrated in the photo book showing where all the Village facilities are located, and open to the public with Molly's Trolley providing transportation, so people could see what it is like to be in the new Village hall, the Fire station, the Water department, and so forth. After that, instead of having a birthday cake there would be a cupcake celebration, which would be easier and neater. Also on this day there would be a blessing of the pets. Another activity for Sunday could be a lucky duck race fundraiser, releasing plastic ducks on the river, depending upon the tide, and using the police boat or someone else in a boat to monitor the race. There would be huge plastic bags full of plastic ducks numbered on the bottom; ducks could be purchased for $5.00 each and you could buy as many as you want, but you would not get to keep them. All the ducks would be tossed into the river and the tide would take them, and the owner of the duck that came through first would receive a big prize. • Proposed for Monday was a golf tournament at Tequesta Country Club. She stated that Jim Humpage was very good at doing these, and he had come up with another wonderful idea for raising funds, and explained to the council that in their goody bag there would be a golf ball with a number on it. Mayor Humpage explained that he had a fundraiser for a group, sold balls for $50.00 each, put them all in a bushel basket, and drew a circle on the driving range. In the middle of the circle was a 6" solid dot. The balls were dropped by helicopter, and the ball that came closest to the center won $1,000.00. Mayor Humpage commented it was a fun thing to do, he made $6,000.00, and everyone had fun and could keep their ball if you they find it. Mrs. Campbell stated if they did not have the golden coin hunt on Saturday then they could have it on Monday. She advised some things had originally been planned for Friday, but they lost Friday because of school still being open. On Monday afternoon they wanted to have a reception for local VIP's--the original idea was to have something at Tequesta Country Club, but everyone would be so proud of the new Village Hall it would be better to have a reception there. This reception would be by invitation only, and would be a wonderful closing celebration for the event. Other suggestions were to change the skateboarding competition from May to June to be apart of the celebration; holding a 2K, SK, or lOK run, having a sand castle contest at Coral Cove Park, and a hotdog cookout. For awards, especially for the kids, they were considering using special $50 bills with the Tequesta Indian logo. 4 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 5 Council Member Watkins stated Mrs. Campbell had done an outstanding job. Mrs. Campbell asked for the council's blessing. Mayor Humpage asked if the cost of shirts was something the committee wanted to research or if that was something they wanted the Village to look into that, so everyone wouldn't be doing the same job. Mrs. Campbell responded that Greg Corbitt had resources on that and she had some resources at the Scuba Club as well. Mayor Humpage explained the research would need to include what items were and the cost, to get a feel for what kind of expenditure would need to be added into the budget. He asked the Village Manager when they would start the budget; the Village Manager that they are there already. The Village Manager advised a number would be plugged in, so balance sheets could be run, and the Council could always add the amount in during the budget hearings. Mrs. Campbell stated she knew it was a lot to ask but she wanted to know if there was a file on the 25th anniversary. Gwen Carlisle responded there was a file but it did not contain much, and she planned to go back to the storage room to see if she could locate anything else, or determine if it could be in another location. Mrs. Campbell mentioned that out of the seventeen people that had been on the 25th anniversary committee, only four of them were left. Vice-Mayor Paterno asked Mrs. Campbell how much money she needed, to which she responded she hoped to could break even, or even come out ahead, but might need funding in the meantime for purchases. She suggested selling the booklets to the realtors for them to give to their clients as a possibility. Mrs. Campbell commented that right off the top of her head, she would ask for a budget allocation of $10,000. The Council consensus was that was not enough. Mayor Humpage stated that between the ducks and the golf balls they should get that much money. Mrs. Campbell commented if they did not spend it, it would go back in, and if they needed more there was contingency. She advised they did not want to spend a lot of time on things until they found out they were going in the direction the Council wanted. Mayor Humpage stated he thought it was great. Council Member Watkins agreed, saying they already had put in a lot of work in organizing it this much, which she appreciated. Mayor Humpage agreed with Mrs. Campbell that the 25th anniversary celebration had been too long, too many days. Mrs. Campbell commented that Alice, who used to be the executive director of the chamber of commerce, said that they had less than six months to plan, and she was right, since they wanted to start the kick off with the first of the year, leading up to June 4th. Mayor Humpage commented he hoped there would be funding left over to start rehabilitating Tequesta Park. He stated he thought the event was great and the committee had done a wonderful job. Council Member Watkins stated they had put a lot of work into it already and she appreciated it. Mayor Humpage stated they had a green light and to keep going. Council Member Watkins stated this time they needed to make sure they saved everything and to make sure the keeper of the records had a good file. Gwen Carlisle stated she loved records, so she would be glad to keep them as long as she was with the • Village. 5 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 6 2) Licensing Mayor Humpage indicated this discussion did not pertain to Community Development, but was regarding vehicular traffic, various weights of trucks, crossing the bridge. The Mayor suggested the possibility of a license rather than a permit, to indicate to police officers the weight of the vehicle and that they were allowed to traverse through traffic. Council Member Watkins commented on a neighbor using his truck, which she believed to be close to the weight limit. Council Member Watkins asked if something more official than the blue VOT stickers was needed. Vice Mayor Paterno indicated that this matter was under the jurisdiction of the police department; Mayor Humpage called on the Chief of Police to help out with this issue. Chief Allison advised the ordinance stated that this was under the office of the Village Manager, but it had been delegated to the Police Department. The Chief of Police advised that there was an ordinance in place that had to be repealed to enforce this properly. Village Manager Couzzo advised the current ordinance could be repealed and replaced simultaneously. Council Member Watkins asked if the goal was to have particular users who were Village residents with a reason to go back and forth, to identify the vehicle. Vice Mayor Paterno expressed concern regarding thru traffic and trucks going into Turtle Creek, which were not currently going over the bridge but going in the back way, and explained the permitting process was to help pay for policing and different things, and the fee was very minimal from what he understood; $200 per company, so if they had twenty trucks they were paying $200. He stated Council Member Watkins mentioned the residents going over the bridge, and what he thought they were going to do for residents was to give them a sticker or decal allowing them to go over, indicating that they were residents and that would be free. He explained that any other fees would be for thru traffic, and to comply with the ordinance, unless there were others being collected. Council Member Watkins stated this really did not have anything to do with the tonnage, but whether the vehicle belonged here or not, or was just going through to deliver something. Vice Mayor Paterno stated that the problem now is that with the bridge being at a 5-ton limit most of the trucks cannot go over, but previously it had been an issue because they were going over using it as a thru mechanism, which was not in effect right now. He stated they needed to work on this before the bridge was redone in the next 3-5 years. He stated the other issue that Council Member Watkins was talking about was the residents, but he questioned if any permits were issued for anybody to go over between the five and ten ton limit. Chief Allison stated they did not issue permits for that bridge, the permit they did issue was for the 300 block of Country Club Drive, strictly for access to Turtle Creek. Village Manager stated that what Vice Mayor Paterno was suggesting, and what the Council was discussing was to allow this to happen, to issue a permit. 6 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 7 Mayor Humpage stated that a 10-ton vehicle was going to have less impact on that bridge than a 30-ton vehicle, and he would like to see some kind of program put together where the weight of the vehicle affects the road. He asked why they couldn't license these vehicles by weight and certainly not by company, although he didn't mean to alienate Rinker, these trucks should be accountable. Mr. Couzzo stated they cannot take trucks over anyway. Mayor Humpage stated he wasn't talking about right now; he was talking about when the bridge was redone and had a 30-ton limit. During discussion it was clarified the bridge could be completed in five or six years. Mayor Humpage commented the bridge was the focal point because of the problem, but Tequesta Drive, and Country Club Drive took a beating by 30-ton vehicles as opposed to 10-ton vehicles. He stated the Village had to maintain these roadways so he couldn't see why they didn't set the standard of costs to the weight of the vehicle. Chief Allison stated the current ordinance said that Rinker can cross to service Country Club, Bermuda Terrace, Point Drive, or any areas that not are accessible by any other road. Mr. Couzzo stated they could not cross it now because of the weight restriction because it is posted at five tons, with which Chief Allison agreed, but said there was no ordinance to enforce that. Vice-Mayor Paterno stated that the current ordinance should be pulled for now, making something quick in reference to the five tons to alleviate the problem now until they get the bridge redone, but in the meantime to work on something going forward. Council Member Watkins asked if two hearings would be required to change an • ordinance. Mayor Humpage responded yes, and they could have Mr. Hawkins begin the draft of the new ordinance covering the interim period until the bridge was back to snuff. Council Member Paterno stated that when doing a new ordinance for the future after the bridge was fixed, they needed to address thru traffic and make it so the Chief can do something about it, extinguish thru traffic, and address the traffic going into Turtle Creek; right now they had to come from the back side and have a permit. He asked if there was some way they could get them to open up a gate along Island Way for service vehicles, to help eliminate some of the traffic off of Country Club Drive for the people living there. Mayor Humpage stated that Commissioner Weberman stated at one meeting that this issue and other issues were political hot potatoes. Vice Mayor Paterno stated it was a political hot potato for Commissioner Weberman but not for him. Mayor Humpage agreed, and said they can could it more attractive to open up that second gate. Vice Mayor Paterno suggested if they started charging them a hefty fee then maybe that gate would open and give some relief to their residents. Mayor Humpage stated this was not an issue they had to worry about at this point in time. Council Member Watkins stated she favored the idea of doing something by way of weight, not per company. Mayor Humpage stated he thought the weight was good but being in the construction business, he saw twenty of these vehicles a day under normal conditions, and considered a blanket permit for twenty vehicles for $200.00 crazy. He felt there should be a weight consideration as well as a total amount of vehicles. Vice Mayor Paterno suggested the fee be per vehicle and they be required to display permit. He felt the problem with the police department was difficulty in enforcing these laws, and they needed to have some mechanism to enforce them easily. 7 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 8 Council Member Genco arrived at this point in the meeting at 5:40 p.m. Mayor Humpage stated that for the immediate future the current ordinance should be repealed and replaced by a new ordinance. Mayor Humpage explained for Council Member Genco it was the ordinance for thru traffic, vehicular traffic through town. He explained that the current ordinance doesn't support preventing those vehicles from going through, and a new ordinance could give the police actual powers to prevent this from happening. The Mayor explained it was going to take two public hearings to do it, that Mr. Couzzo and Mr. Hawkins would prepare the paperwork to repeal one ordinance and then bring forward the new ordinance. Mr. Couzzo indicated this could be done simultaneously. Mayor Humpage stated they could get this done is two months. Discussion ensued regarding where thru traffic would be--primarily Country Club Drive, but the ordinance would be within the municipal boundaries and not specific for Country Club Drive. Mayor Humpage asked what happened at Anchorage Point. Chief Allison stated there is an exception in the ordinance. Mayor Humpage stated they needed to take this into consideration because that was the only way to get there unless you had a barge. Vice Mayor Paterno stated it is the same with Bermuda Terrace, and commented that going forward they would to have to figure out how to handle that. Mayor Humpage stated they could still come in the back way. Council Member Genco stated enforcing a rule within municipal boundaries that was enforced on one selected road troubled her. She stated she was very concerned about that d i h i i d because if they ticketed someone, someone could turn aroun , n er v ewpo nt, an sue the Village for being selective as to how they decided to enforce their rules; this was prejudicial and not even-handed. Mayor Humpage stated they were not going to specifically make mention of a road. Council Member Genco acknowledged she understood this, but they were enforcing a rule selectively on one road and if you started ticketing people on that one road and were not ticketing people that were using other roads within the Village's municipalities, people would put two and two together, and she saw them suing the Village for not even-handedly enforcing their laws. Mayor Humpage stated that was assuming they did not enforce it on the other roads, but suppose a truck from Rinker come in on Tequesta Drive and chose to go up Seabrook to make a delivery in Martin County; the truck should not do that, but should go up Old Dixie to County Line Road; he stated they would enforce it on Seabrook as well as Country Club Drive. Council Member Genco stated the only roads that were County or State were U.S. One and Dixie. Council Member Genco commented although Country Club Drive, or the bridge, was their biggest issue, they were going to have to enforce it on all the roads to show they were doing it within all the boundaries of the village and not just for certain roads, and the records should back that up to avoid trouble. Mayor Humpage asked Chief Allison to comment on that. Chief Allison stated the current ordinance has a truck route specified, which could be incorporated into the new ordinance. Council Member Watkins stated that they were not discussing residential traffic. Vice-Mayor Paterno asked if any other fees should be updated. Mr. Couzzo responded Fire has been updated and they will look at Police to see if there were any issues. Discussion ensued regarding 8 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 9 posting truck route signs. Mr. Couzzo stated the signs would conform to the standard as set by the State. Council Member Watkins stated if there were fees for the police department that needed to be addressed to please let the manager know so Council could address that, to make sure they covered everything. Mayor Humpage stated it looked like they were okay on the licensing. 3) Golf Carts Mayor Humpage stated they were there tonight to discuss golf carts moving throughout the Village, as there had been some issues and some complaints. He stated there were people who were in favor of allowing the golf carts to move throughout the Country Club area primarily, he was not aware of any other area that had been brought up. The Mayor stated the only thing presently in place was a Florida 316 statute and nothing else. He indicated he had one letter to read into the record, but would not do that until they heard public comment. (Public Comments) Jim Kamen of 341 Fairway North stated he saw the golf carts on the roads when he walked his dogs. He had made numerous complaints to the police department about kids driving golf carts, and playing games with them-he had seen a group of kids probably six months ago that were towing themselves around on a chair by a golf cart, which was quite dangerous. He stated people were using their golf carts for transportation to go to and from other neighbors' houses and parties, and people who did not belong to the Country Club had golf carts just to use for public transportation. He stated the biggest problem was the kids playing games with them, but there are numerous golf carts out there that people drove at night just to go to the country club for dinner, etc. He did not have a problem with people having golf carts, but they should not have their kids driving the golf carts and anybody that lived on the golf course should not have a golf cart on the public streets. He stated there were people driving stealth golf carts, there were people driving ATVs that had no equipment to carry golf bags or anything else; and were being used them strictly for pleasure, and should not be on public streets. Joseph Capretta of 252 Tequesta Drive indicated he had received many calls. He stated that when police stopped golf carts they gave warnings, and not tickets. Mr. Capretta indicated he had no problem arresting people that were irresponsible and got in accidents or races but he wanted them to realize the impact; some of the people that had received these warnings took it very seriously and were very nervous about it. He stated they immediately wanted to turn their golf cart in to the country club and tell them to keep the golf cart there and they would pay the lodging; however the country club did not have room for 100 carts, and, when you restrict the golf carts you have to remember that many people use the golf carts instead of a car to go to the club 9 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 10 He stated that as soon as you do that you are telling people they have to buy a second car, and Tequesta Country Club would have to build room for one hundred golf carts and fifty to one hundred cars for which they did not have room. Mr. Capretta commented a lot of people who live on River Drive and they belong to Turtle Creek and that's why they come out the entrance. He stated you have a big impact and you have some ways to enforce irresponsible actions such as kids racing, and there were ways to make sure the law is clear on that. He stated the police should be able to differentiate between a man going to the golf club with a golf bag on his cart and an adult driving the cart during the day and racing at midnight on Country Club Drive. He stated there were a lot of different ways to enforce the law rather than attempt to ban golf carts, and the real concern the people had to worry about were the big financial consequences, not just inconvenience. Mr. Capretta stated this was a major issue involving a lot of people and a lot of money, both to the boat club and the hundreds of people who owned the carts and used them as a means of transportation. He wanted the council to give very thorough consideration to any change they made and to try to restrict some of the abuses. He advised that most people were responsible and even had lights on their cart if they drove them at night. Small children should not run around with golf carts and injure someone. He stated if you look at this issue in terms of how many injuries there had been, he would assume very few. Council Member Genco asked Mr. Capretta what he would propose to do with the people that are using the golf carts in the evening for transportation, because she assumed he was pro golf carts. Mr. Capretta responded the Council needed to decide if they were going to allow them; his opinion was there was nothing wrong with driving a golf cart on a public road at night as long as the driver was an adult, had lights on their cart, and was a licensed driver, but a child at night and no lights was a different story. Council Member Genco stated she understood. Mr. Capretta advised that under the policy that had been in effect for some months now, the police were giving warnings to people, leading them to believe they were going to have to give up the use of their carts which they did not like at all, although some of them were very conscientious and were doing it. He stated there was a gentleman with him tonight who wanted to speak but he had a hearing problem and wouldn't be able to hear what the Council responded. Mayor Humpage called Mr. Dean to the podium. (Public Comment) Mr. Tom Dean stated he had lived in Tequesta for 20 years and joined the club the same year in August, 1986. He stated he bought a golf cart the same month and two or three times a week he drives up Golfview and comes in the easement to the golf club. He stated about two weeks ago he was stopped by two policemen in a cruiser who told him he would not be able to continue because they had had trouble. He stated he was all for the golf carts, but explained that one of the practical problems was there were only about six or seven golf stalls left in the golf storage, and if they were not allowed to use golf carts, there would be a lot of people that would not be able to store golf carts because the club did not have space for them. It seemed to him that something could be worked out 10 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 11 as Mr. Capretta stated earlier. He stated the golf club also numbered the carts, so each member received a sticker from the club each year. Mr. Dean commented if golf carts were not allowed it would present a real problem to a lot of people, that he understood the problems that had come up, and he was totally in sympathy in working them out so that golf carts would not be a problem. Mr. Russell von Frank commented people towed their boats, and suggested the possibility instead of buying another vehicle, to put a tow bar on their car to bring their cart to the golf course. Mayor Humpage read Mrs. Pert Town's letter into the record: `Dear Mr. Humpage, I understand that there will be a workshop held on June 6, 2006, pertaining to the golf cart use within the Village of Tequesta. Since I will be out of town during the time of the workshop and the time the workshop is held, I would like this letter stating my views to be made part of the official record of said workshop. I firmly believe the Florida statute governing the operation of golf carts, F.S. 316.212 should be strictly enforced. You cannot pick and choose which laws you will enforce. If the workshop results in allowing golf carts to be driven on public roads, I would suggest that the Tequesta ordinance regarding golf cart use be stricter. Local governments have given us the story on the 316.212, paragraph 7. I would suggest changing the age from 14 to 16 and requiring the driver to have a valid driver's license. If the village does not enforce this statute it is vulnerable to lawsuits in case of an accident. Sincerely, Patricia Town'. r. Richard Berube of Country Club Circle stated that this issue has been around a long M time and when he realized it was on the agenda, he made time to attend. He stated he was an insurance agent, and he saw this from that point of view. What he found in his insurance practice was the majority of people owning golf carts thought they had insurance coverage and they did not. He stated the main issue here was that most golf carts did not have liability coverage when operated on the road. A homeowner's policy covered the golf cart while on the golf course and on the owner's property but it did not cover it in between. A separate golf cart liability policy could be purchased, but that could cost a couple hundred dollars. He stated this was an issue that needed to be understood; there was no automatic golf cart liability that provided coverage on a public roadway; and most golfers are not aware of that. He stated there was wording in the policy that said they did, but it did not cover you in between--only while you were playing golf; not to the golf course for dinner, not to lunch, or to the neighbor's house. Mr. Berube advised this insurance issue could not be overlooked, and offered to address those specifics.. He stated once a cart left your property there was no coverage until it came onto the golf course for golfing purposes. Mayor Humpage stated this was a workshop, and all these questions needed answers. Mr. Phil Carey of 129 Point Circle questioned the annual cost. • 11 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 12 • Mr. Berube responded to another question by stating that this truly scared him, especially when he knew that a lot of people were using the carts without a primary liability policy, which in his opinion made the Village the primary insured. Mayor Humpage stated he was sure there had been issues, but none here so far. Council Member Genco commented she assumed that the liability went with your automobile. Mr. Berube stated no, it went with your homeowners policy--that the automobile policy did not cover anything other than your auto. He stated it covered liability for a trailer for pulling a boat or a recreational vehicle trailer with a private passenger car, liability for that trailer went along with that vehicle. However, if you ran over someone's feet with the trailer wheels or the trailer disconnected and crashed into a storefront, that would be picked up by your automobile policy. Mr. Berube said Mr. von Frank's suggestion of trailering a golf cart had merit in that the liability could be there. He stated the insurance issue was critical, and he did not want the Village Council to overlook it, because he knew from his practice that this was a big problem. Mr. Berube responded to Mrs. Campbell's question that in order to insure a vehicle properly it had to be a motor vehicle, and had to have lights, windshield wipers and those kinds of amenities. Mayor Humpage stated that he had checked with Jonathan's Landing and Admiral's Cove, and had found if a golf cart was used on their streets, special recreational vehicle insurance was required by the community which cost between $170 to $225 a year. He stated you could not even have membership at their club without the required insurance; it had been made a requirement for anyone at Admiral's Cove and Jonathan's Landing who owned a golf cart to have full recreational vehicle insurance and it ad to have the lights and everything. Mr. Berube brought up the fact that those were private roads, not public roads, and offered to answer specific questions for people. Mr. Dean stated he did have insurance on his vehicle policy. Mr. Berube responded that was a first for him; he was not aware of a company that did that. Council Member Watkins stated this was a difficult issue for her, because living in a golfing community a lot of her neighbors used the golf carts for things other than golfing, and there had been a few incidents involving kids that had terrified her, which was what had brought this to light. Council Member Watkins expressed fear that not only were they going to have a child hurt but she might be the one doing the hurting and she would never be able to live with it if she hurt a child falling off a golf cart. She did not want to see any of the residents put in that position, either. Council Member Watkins questioned the Village Attorney whether this something the Council could even deal with because of the situation of having public roads and if it were really a black and white issue or if there were any options. • 12 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 13 • Attorney Scott Hawkins stated the ordinance could designate the roads to permit golf cart traffic, provided drivers were required to be 16 years or older and if there were various physical modifications to the vehicles in question, including headlights, and taillights. He explained golf cart traffic was supposed to be limited to the daylight hours, and felt there were valid points to be made about the Village being the deep pocket target and he wanted to make clear that when you did not have liability protection and somebody was hit, there was no coverage to provide a defense and no funded money to pay a damage claim; so the Village would have to pay the damage claim, not the insurance carrier. Attorney Hawkins advised if someone was seriously injured, the cost of medical expenses could be catastrophic, and the Village could be the target. Council Member Watkins stated she could not support any issue with golf carts that would allow unlicensed individuals as drivers and felt kids were really just tempting fate, and she would not like to see carts used at night- just for safety issues alone. She indicated the Village liability was very serious, and as council members they could not afford to look at what they personally thought, but must look globally at the best solution for all of the residents who might be walking or whatever when one of these golf carts came by. She stated that unless they can resolve the issue of the Village liability, whether they had to have people have proof of insurance or indemnify the Village or whatever, that was the only way she could walk down that road. She felt they needed to protect the Village, which would really be protecting the residents, because when the Village got a • bill from a lawsuit, it was really the residents' bill. Council Member Genco questioned Mr. Berube regarding whether the driver had to be licensed under the liability coverage that he stated was available on the homeowner policy. Mr. Berube stated no, and there were more accidents with older people and there was no age requirement. Council Member Genco clarified with Mr. Dean that his automobile policy required the person operating the golf cart to be licensed. Council Member Genco indicated she thought the policy that Mr. Berube was talking about was recreational, and there must be two different types of liability. Vice Mayor Paterno asked how a bicycle was insured, to which Mr. Berube responded it was only covered on your property and. there was no limitation on age, young or old. He stated mopeds were covered on your property, but once off your property the liability does not follow. Mrs. Campbell stated that 90% of the golf carts she saw were on the sidewalk, not on the roads. She stated there were not sidewalks in the country club but it should not make a difference whether they were on the sidewalk or on the road. Council Member Genco stated it was still public. The Vice Mayor indicated there were golf carts coming down Country Club Drive from Martin County to go to their club and into Turtle Creek, and he had received complaints from people that they were almost run over. 13 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 14 Gwen Carlisle reported she lived in Loxahatchee in the Acreage where there were ATVs, and advised when the police stopped children under the licensed age of 16, they could give tickets and even revoke their license until they are 21 years old. Council Member Genco requested that Attorney Hawkins looked at whether they could implement something in one location that they did not implement in another location as far as the roads. Attorney Hawkins responded he thought they could designate certain areas but there would have to be some signage, and some study as to the best way to implement that. He recommended having an ordinance that specified exact travel paths, some sort of registration mechanism, and age limitations. Mrs. Campbell asked if there were any golf carts east of the river, in the main part of town, or on Beach Road. The Mayor indicated to his knowledge all of them were west of the bridge. Mayor Humpage advised the way he read the statute was that a study would be required by the state to designate particular roads, which was confirmed by Attorney Hawkins. Mayor Humpage made clear to the Council that someone had to pay for the study and the staff time, and then buy the sign. He stated it seemed they were primarily staying in one area where the golf carts were predominant, and would be asking 6800 to 7200 residents to spend the money to do all these studies to make golf carting okay. The • Mayor expressed his opinion all the residents should not have to pay when only half of 1% were affected. The Mayor also expressed concern that if this were done and somebody was hurt on the golf cart and the pockets on the hurt side were not as deep as Village pockets, would the Village still be holding the bag. Attorney Hawkins confirmed the Village would still be atarget--that was just the American way, everyone is a target. Mayor Humpage stated that the whole conversation in this workshop had been generated by abuse. The Mayor commented they needed to consider people like Mr. Capretta who drove from his house to the golf club or across Tequesta Drive, and this would affect everyone in the community. Mayor Humpage indicated he felt they would have to do the study to make this happen, and the Village would still be a target, and he was not comfortable with it, because in his opinion the golf carts had been abused. Mayor Humpage expressed his opinion that the golf carts should be used only to play golf and kids should not be allowed to ride around in them, and everyone else should not be riding around in them at night, and self discipline, parental discipline should be used. To ask everyone in the Village to pay for this was a tough call for him, and he would have to put that to vote. Mr. Capretta suggested licensing carts, to which Mayor Humpage responded the first thing that would have to take place was to get rid of every juvenile and that will not happen, and he was uncomfortable with the police pulling over kids on golf carts and taking them home. Council Member Genco stated that now they had come to the conclusion that people needed to be licensed, that they needed to have insurance, and asked if the Village were • to look at this, if they could issue some kind of decal for $20 a year to help recover their cost. She was looking at this nice community with adults that had utilized golf carts 14 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 15 properly for forty years or more, safely, and it really had become an issue because the children had abused it. She stated if the people had the liability insurance that covered the Village; Mayor Humpage stated it covered the residents, not the Village. Council Member Genco stated she was saying it covers the Village from a first line exposure situation, the same way as someone using a vehicle; if there was a tree that is in the wrong place and a vehicle hit it, the Village would get sued even though it was the driver at fault but it did cover most of the issue. Council Member Genco commented if there were a licensed driver requirement, and an insurance requirement, the other issue would be daylight, which might be another requirement, along with a decal; then it would be as safe as the Village could make it. Mayor Humpage stated he was not trying to handicap all the good citizens who ran around in golf carts; he is just trying to put a lid on it because it was not going to get any better. Council Member Genco responded the only way to put a lid on it was to come up with criteria and implement a code. Mayor Humpage agreed, but indicated the criteria had to be something the police department could enforce. Council Member Genco agreed, stating if people did not have a decal, they would be ticketed, and asked if their golf cart could eventually be taken away from them. Vice Mayor Paterno stated this community had had a golf course and golf carts for about 50 years. He felt it was a good thing to make the age requirement 16 instead of 14 as the • state statute allowed, and to require proof of insurance, and also a $20 fee for the police department. In regard to who would pay, the Vice Mayor indicated there are people who did not have golf carts, but he paid a lot of taxes like a lot of people in the neighborhood and one thing that made the area nicer was have the ability to have a golf course; and people might need to be willing to pay a little extra to have that comfort, and it kept the community up. Vice Mayor Paterno commented this was similar to putting lights up in another end of town which he was for, but could ask why he should have to pay for it. He stated he helps support the whole village. Mayor Humpage stated they were basically talking about a confined area, but cautioned that the decision they made would affect everyone because if they said golf carts were okay and someone from Dover Road or Tequesta Garden Apartments went to get one, this could escalate. Vice Mayor Paterno stated this can be kept to a certain area only and the study could be done, the Council was going to require insurance and have the golf carts registered and there was nothing wrong with that. He stated the club itself needed to survive and the club's survival had an effect on the surrounding areas, and asked the Council to think about it. The Vice Mayor stated he agreed with the safety issues. Council Member Genco asked him what would be fair, to which he responded by saying the driver would have to be 16 with a valid drivers license, he had no problem with the insurance, he thought that was a valid point which had been overlooked by many, and felt a fee to the • Village was proper in order to have a sticker so that the police department would have a way of knowing who owned the cart. 15 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 16 • He stated nighttime driving was not a problem for him if it was according to the state law, and met the requirements of turn signals, headlights, windshield, etc. He stated if a cart was operated responsibly it should not make a difference if it were day or night. Mr. Capretta said it was a very low number of golf carts that traveled at night, such a low number so you could actually eliminate that problem. He stated the main issue is daytime, adults and insurance. Mrs. Campbell asked if the country club had any rules or regulations requiring people using carts to be licensed. Mayor Humpage responded probably not if it were on the club grounds. Vice Mayor Paterno advised he thought you had to be 16 and a licensed driver. Mrs. Campbell suggested working with the country club to have some common rules and regulations. Mrs. Betty Nagy stated it was not fair to some residents to pay for something like this, that she was worried about someone getting hurt in the country club and then the Village would get stuck with the bill. Council Member Genco responded if the drivers had the liability insurance to cover the exposure that would that be sufficient. Mrs. Nagy stated she should not be held responsible; that she works hard for her money. Council Member Watkins responded she would like to come to a common sense approach. She stated they have residents who are in a particular community where golf carts would not be a surprise to see; the question to Attorney Hawkins was whether a • common sense approach to allow the golfers in the country club to get from their homes to the club could be taken, so that this would not be a huge liability for the Village, so the residents as a whole were protected. She stated she could live with that but that was the only she could support it. Council Member Genco asked if Attorney Hawkins could research to find out what kind of liability insurance would be potentially acceptable to minimize any exposure. Attorney Hawkins stated yes, he could research both of these questions and some others as well, and stated he had been talking with Mr. Couzzo about a possible strategy that would represent a possible compromise with the view towards accommodating residents of the Country Club, and protecting the Village, together with a study that would have to be done by a traffic flow engineer to outline the best traffic patterns and what roadways needed to be designated. He suspected they were not talking about that many roadways and not that many pathways, but that needed to be studied and all these questions could be studied. He stated there were a number of things that could be done, and a lot of private communities had faced this problem. Attorney Hawkins noted the country club was not a private community, they were a public community but they had a lot of the ambience of a golf course private community and they wanted to preserve that. Jupiter Island had passed an ordinance and designated the whole island, but they were very isolated. • 16 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 17 • Mr. Gill Hall of Country Club Drive stated the biggest problem he saw here was the age and the number of kids riding golf carts. He stated he saw kids driving down Country Club Drive, going in and out of the sidewalk to the street, and they were hanging on to the back. He felt it is a very serious situation going on, and noted they have no lights and sometimes they are hard to see. Vice-Mayor Paterno stated he understood the safety problem and was the first problem they needed to address. He stated he has not been here for 30 or 40 years, so he did not look at it like the country club vs. the beach vs. somebody else; he commented he was representing everybody, because every area would have a unique situation they may need to address. He believed safety was first and Council could come up with something that was workable for everybody, and still protect the Village. Mayor Humpage stated if Council was going to look at this and come up with something they think is palpable by everyone, then he thought they should get a handle on and find out what the study costs. He mentioned he saw what the State mandates for the study. Council Member Genco stated it is a determination; whatever they have to do to determine the study. Mayor Humpage stated he would like to know how much it costs so they can defray the cost somehow down the road. Council Member Genco stated there should be a user fee, which means whatever decals get issued to the golf carts, if that is where Council goes with this, they get charged with the cost to offset this fee. • Village Manager Couzzo proposed that Attorney Hawkins and himself work on a draft proposal with some of the items they talked about before they engage in the study, because Council may want to do this in two phases. He stated if they like what they see and it is palpable, then they go to the next step. He indicated they want to try and incorporate everything they have discussed in the proposal, and maybe add some other things, and then the study will be based upon those criteria. Mayor Humpage stated everyone was getting their warnings, what the Chief was doing was handing out copies of the state statute, and he wanted everyone to be informed. He explained Council was going to look at these issues and see if they can come up with some solution, so he asked that no one panic and sell their golf cart yet. He stated when Vice-Mayor Paterno was talking about the golf club community that was true; that is how Tequesta got started. He stated he has also heard everyone say the demographics of this community were changing dramatically, and they are. He asked Chief Allison if they find juveniles riding around on the carts, what can they do at this point in time. Chief Allison responded by stating the policy right now was to detain the juvenile and have the parent come to the scene and remove the child and the cart. Council Member Genco asked how often they have been doing this. Chief Allison responded not very often. Mayor Humpage pointed out when he came to this meeting he came down Country Club Drive and there were three kids on a golf cart by former Council Member Resnik's . house. He stated he would like to work with the community and keep everyone safe. 17 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 18 . Council Member Genco stated maybe this would be a good opportunity to use the dialogic and tell people as of a certain date if they are out there they are going to get a ticket, so at least they could get them off the road between now and when they come up with this rule, they can address the problem and get the parents to get these kids off the streets. Council Member Watkins stated she would have zero tolerance for children because that was an accident waiting to happen. Vice-Mayor Paterno stated he can understand doing the dialogical for the children but as far as adults, and he knew some people would not agree with him, he felt they needed to push along and allow people to utilize their carts at this day in time. He stated if they do not have a driver license it is a problem; He felt this was the best way to do it, and not say no until they come up with something, it took them eight months to get this meeting together from the time it was originally brought up, if it is another eight months it would be a nightmare for the community. Council Member Watkins stated they are back to the liability issue; they know the carts are on public roads. Mr. Couzzo stated the police department was handling it on a case by case basis, but the officer has the discretion to interpret the statute and issue a citation if deemed necessary; if there is someone who is under the influence and driving erratically, they are going to do something. He stated they do not want to be in the position where administratively and legislatively they are dictating how the officers should interpret the law in the field. Chief Allison stated they have a statute that needs to be enforced because residents are demanding it. He stated the Police Department is enforcing it right now. Council Member Watkins felt Council needed to protect the police department, also. She asked if it is a state statute, do they have a choice. Mr. Couzzo stated the officer has the discretion to issue a ticket or to not issue a ticket and that is the way they are doing it. Council Member Genco asked whether it is a warning or a ticket. Mr. Couzzo stated what they have been doing with underage kids is calling their parents and he thought this was also responsive. Council Member Genco asked if they would ticket an underage child now. She suggested as of now if they catch underage children they get on the phone and give the parents fair warning, and then start ticketing them. She felt that would cut down on the juvenile use almost immediately. (Public Comment) Mr. Carey noted there would be an impact on the club if they limited the carts. He stated they were not able to take the carts in, that there was no room. Mayor Humpage stated he knew where Mr. Capretta was coming from; he stated he did not want to burden the country club and they all want to work this out. He felt the dialogic message was a good idea. He reiterated if you took anything away from this meeting tonight was council was trying to do what was right for the citizens and the village as a whole. Mr. Capretta suggested enforcing the abuses. Mayor Humpage agreed. Vice-Mayor Paterno stated he has been stopped five times in the Country Club after dropping off his daughter at the bus stop. He noted he was handed the statute and understood about the • discretion and the law. He commented at the same time there are laws the police have discretion on. He stated he has people everyday telling him about the golf carts. 18 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 19 • Council Member Genco stated if the police have the ability to either issue a warning or a ticket between now and the next forty-five days, which is how long she thought it would take for them to come up with a resolution, then the adults are forewarned that their children are going to get tickets. Vice-Mayor Paterno asked about the adults. Council Member Genco responded by stating golf carts are not meant to be recreational vehicles and they are not meant to be a mode of transportation. She stated she has said this before and someone turned her into Golf Digest. She stated they are called golf carts, that is why they have the word `golf ; it does not say fun vehicle, recreation vehicle, four wheel vehicle, it says golf cart; and when you look in the magazines, they are called golf carts. Mr. Capretta stated they also give the police a hint when they see a golf bag on the back. Council Member Genco agreed. Mayor Humpage questioned what about when it is 10:00 at night and they are coming back from the club. Council Member Genco stated then it is being used as a recreational vehicle. She stated that is what the whole issue has been; they are golf carts, not meant to be a mode of transportation and even if they do implement this rule, it is only going to be within the areas where people are going to go from here to the golf course; it is not going to be meant for them to go from here to Quick Stop or from here to church; it is meant for them to go from their home to play golf. She apologized if that upset people in the community, but this is a golf course oriented community, not a recreational golf cart village. Council Member Watkins stated until they do something to change what exists, the police • have to enforce what is on the books and that means you should not be on the public road with your golf cart. She realized this was a pain and they can assume they are going to get stopped and given a piece of paper until this is rectified. She stated she realized it was an inconvenience, and wished this had never came up. She stated she has lived here 29 years and it never has been an issue until the last year and half. But, she stated, it does not exonerate the fact that they have had a statute that has not been enforced. She stated they are in a strange position. She felt in a perfect world the Country Club would be private and you could do whatever you wanted on your streets. She mentioned they are public streets, and now they are forced to look to this. Council Member Genco stated if TECCA wanted to, they could take over ownership of the streets and maintain them and change it into a golf course community. But, she stated, she did not think that was what they wanted. She stated when she was young, they played with bumper cars in bumper car places and now the kids are getting a lot of pleasure out of the golf carts and she understood that, but that was not the intended use of those vehicles. (Public Comment) Mr. Tom Dean questioned the difference between a bicycle or a tricycle zipping around, and felt the golf cart was much safer. Mayor Humpage stated golf carts were motorized under the law so it fell into a different category, because it is motorized. 19 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 20 • Mr. Kamen felt they have been emphasizing the younger children but he saw just as many adults abusing that privilege. He asked if the state statute forbid the use of golf carts at night. Mayor Humpage stated they could drive them at night by state law as long as they have lights, taillights, wipers, and a horn. Vice-Mayor Paterno stated the way the law read, if he was correct, was if they designate an area, a community, or the county, whoever; and the local authority designated a certain area to be a golf cart community those golf carts could be used for whatever, it does not necessarily have to go to the golf course. He stated technically right now you are not allowed to use any golf carts on a public roads. Council Member Genco stated the rule stated the golf cart may be operated only during the hours of sunrise and sunset unless the government entity determines that it may be operated otherwise, and then it has the criteria of the equipment. Mr. Kamen felt the ordinance needed to be enforced the way it was written. Mayor Humpage stated the Police was enforcing it. Mr. Kamen disagreed, saying if Mr. Paterno was given the letter five times then it was obvious he was abusing the privilege. Vice- Mayor Paterno stated did not want to get into an argument with him. He stated they both know that they do things a little bit more than they are supposed to. Mr. Kamen agreed. Mayor Humpage stated the Village is in a position now, and the Chief was enforcing these things. He stated the officer makes the decision if the citizen is being responsible, and advises them of the state statute and moves along. He commented if the person is operating it carelessly or recklessly or attitude intended, he assumed the Police was citing them. He stated Council had agreed what they were doing with the juveniles, but they needed time for Staff to get them where they needed to be with the vehicles. He pointed out Council Member Genco was right about the headlights and taillights, and he was not a person who believed the carts should be out at night. He felt even if the Village took another look at allowing them on the road, he was not a proponent of night driving for golf carts, and felt it was too dangerous, whether or not they were adults. He stated Council has to protect the Village so let the police operate in the fashion that they are moving now and take a hard look at anybody who is underage. He felt Council needed to immediately stop children and let Mr. Hawkins do his work. He felt then Mr. Hawkins and Staff could come back with all the information and make an intelligent decision, that would serve the entire community, without burdening anybody. Council Member Genco asked how soon they could get a draft to look at. Attorney Hawkins said two to three weeks, possibly by the July Council meeting. Mayor Humpage asked Attorney Hawkins if they should do another workshop before they bring it forward to another Council meeting. Council Member Genco felt they should do it at a Council meeting, and make sure it received proper notification. She wanted to get going with it. Mr. Couzzo stated it would be presented to them in a draft form, for discussion purposes. Council Member Genco stated she wanted it sent to all of them for comments, to see if it addressed all their concerns. She noted they can easily strike things at the Council meeting. Attorney Hawkins stated the caveat would be that everything was in . there; he has some ideas. He felt if the child violates, the parent loses the right to operate the cart. 20 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 21 • He guaranteed they would get more enforcement, but nobody was going to like. Council Member Genco asked him to put all that in the draft. Mr. Couzzo stated they were going to do that. Council Member Genco asked if it would be in a strong enough form they could take action on it. Mr. Couzzo stated they would put it together based upon this discussion. Council Member Watkins stated it was obviously an issue that needed to be addressed, there needed to be some kind of resolution. Mr. Couzzo stated this would be the first phase and the second phase would be the study, so it will be a couple of months. Mayor Humpage felt the Village could not do anything without the study because that was State law. Council Member Genco asked how long it would take to do the determination. Vice-Mayor Paterno stated the state law does not say who has to do the study; Mr. Couzzo could do the study that it does not have to be an engineer, it could be the police department. Council Member Genco stated it did not even say that, it said `determination'. She understood this but they have enough engineers under contract it seemed they could have someone do it. Mr. Couzzo asked Council for direction; did they want a traffic engineer or staff; he stated this would be a very different study if Staff did it versus and engineer. Council Member Genco stated someone had to look at it from an aerial viewpoint and figure out to get from point A to point B these would be the streets that are going to be designated. She felt they did not need to do that in order to adopt the general language of what the restrictions were going to be for the users. Mr. Couzzo • stated the language in the statute indicated they needed to look at certain criteria. Council Member Genco understood that. Council Member Watkins asked Mr. Couzzo if he could find out what a study of this nature would cost. Council Member Genco stated if it was $20,000 or $30,000 then they could scrap the whole thing. Vice-Mayor Paterno suggested they call Kimley-Horn. Council Member Genco stated the engineer that did the bridge lived in Turtle Creek and they do traffic engineering and he might be interested in doing it and maybe be able to do it speedily and reasonably. Mayor Humpage stated they could put out a dialogic, stating they were looking at this issue in the interim, parental guidance needed to be exercised. Council Member Genco stated the police have been told that they will be issuing warnings and where warranted will be issuing tickets. Lt. Mike Morrill, Police Department stated he was just looking for some direction; he wanted the police to be able to do their job the way they are supposed to do; do they enforce part of the law, or all the law. Consensus of Council agreed they needed to enforce all the law. Council Member Genco stated people are on warning as of today, and they know they could possibly get a ticket or a warning. 4) Other Related Matters -None ;~ 21 Village Council Workshop Minutes June 6, 2006 Page 22 • III. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Council Member Watkins moved to adjourn the meeting; seconded by Council Member Genco; motion passed 4-0. The meeting was adjourned at 7:02 p.m. wen Carlisle Village Clerk • • 22