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HomeMy WebLinkAboutDocumentation_Regular_Tab 11_04/13/2006 MINUTES JOINT WORKSHOP MEETING VILLAGE OF TEQUESTA VILLAGE C4UNCIL; MARTIN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS; TOWN OF JUPITER TOWN COUNCIL; FACILiTATED BY PALM BEACH COUNTY COMMISSIONER KAREN MARCUS THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 2006 Z:00 P.M. I. CALL TO URDER AND ROLL CAI.L - The Tequesta �itlage Counci� held a 3aint Workshop Meeting with Martin County Commissioners and the Town of Jupiter Town Council Village of Tequesta Council, and facilitaxed by Palm Beach County Commissioner Karen Marcus at the Tequesta Recreation Center, 399 Seabrook Road, Tequesta, Florida, on Thursday, February 16, 2006. The meeting was called to order at 2:10 p.m. A roll cali was taken by Village Clerk Gwen Carlisie. Present were: Palm Beach County Commissioner Karen Marcus, Martin County Commissioner Susan Valliere, Chair; Ivlartin County Commissioner Michael DiTerlizzi, Vice Chair; Commissioner poug Smith; Cammissioner Lee Weberman; Commissioner Sarah Heard; Town of Jupiter Councilor pon Daniels; Mr. George Webb, Palm Beach County Engineer; Mr. Gary Roberts, 11Flartin County Deputy Engineer; Village of Tequesta IV�ayor Jirn Humpage; Vice-Mayor Pat Watkins; Council Member Geraldine A. Genco; and Council Member Tom Patemo. Also in attendance were Village Clerk Gwen Carlisle and Department H�ads. Town of Jupiter Mayor Karen Galanka arrived at 2:20P.M. � II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE Mayor Humpage Ied in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag. III. APPR�VAL OF AGENDA Commissioner Lee Webertnan asked if he could give the Village a briefing on a project that they wi11 be doing shortly in Turtle Creek. He stated Mr. Gary Roberts, Martin County, Deputy Engineer is prepared to brief everyone on the construction activities. He stated they are going to do about $ l OQ,OQO worth of paving in Turtie Creek and they wanted to make sure everyone was aware af it. He respectfutiy asked this ta be acided to the agenda. Mayor Humpage asked for an approval; which he received. MOTION: Vice-Mayor Watkins moved to approve the agenda, as amended; seconded by Commissioner Sarah Heard; All were in favor; motion passed. 1} Diseussion of findings/eonclasions of the Jupiter Area Traffe 5tudy Mayor Humpage stated he thought tlus was a first for a11 to be in the same room together in many years. He noted every area was affected by traffic, the Town of Jupiter, the unincorporated Palm Beach County, Martin �ounty and the Village of Tequesta. He stated they were here to a neiglibarly meeting, and nobody was here to point fmgers. He explained what the Village is trying to do is to decide what avenues there aze to relieve 3 � Minutes -- Joint Workshop Meeting February 16, 20U6 � Page 2 � issues they have; increase the f�ow of traffic; and concerns with fizture development in the area. Basically, he commented, as neighbors he wanted to insure that their quality of life � is equal and good, and thaught it was a plus to see ali these people; he - really appreciated ever�one being here. He sta.ted he could not remember how man� times they had discussions on this. He hoped t�at they could get some direction and move in an expedient manner to relieve some of the issues that everyone was faced with. . Mayor H�unpage asked for ever�one to look at the traffic studies the� had; in these zraffic studies they also try to project future trai�ic. He pointed out they may be accurate, or may not be accurate. He felt for every opinion somebody has anather opinion. He thought maybe everyone in the roam has been affected in the pas# few months by the two bridges, primarily the Loxaha.tchee River Road Bridge in Jupiter and the Tequesta Drive Bridge in Tequesta. He felt what this has done is perhaps shown everyone that traffic is not what they thought it was. He, as a�nember of the Vil�age Council listened to his eonstituents compiain to him about tra.t�'e; and it is interesting because he has his ovem company, and does a lot of work in Little Club and T�rtle Creek, which are in Martin County. He stated it has always been Teques�'s position tha.t they feel there is a great aeal of traffxc being brought in from unincorporated Palm Beach County and Martin County into Tequesta., via Country Club Drive and Tequesta Drive. He stated Tequesta has always been proponents of the Western Corridor, of �vhich one section is now complete, and is a great improvement. He expiained they needed to consider the expansion of the corridor in the event that they have other catastrophes such as what they had with the two bridges. He stated this is one of his main concerns with the traffia He commented he wanted to open it up to anyone at the dais if they had any kind of plan or salution. Mayor Humpage stated he wanted to discuss Martin Coun#y's pc�sitiQn on an extension to open up access to County Line Road. He mentioned Viliage Council had primarily dealt with Commissioner Weberman, and wanted to get a feei for where the other Martin County Commissioners stood on the issue. Council Member Genco noted the statement made by Mayor Humpage represented his own personal opinion and not that of the Cozancil. S�ie felt the Meeting should go accorc�ing to the agenda, and sta.ted that before they go forward with the discussion if anyone was present that could present the findings and eonclusians of the Jupiter Area traffic study. She indicated she would love to hear that presentation. Mayor Humpage stated it was not his own personal opinion, and wanted everyone to be aware when he hears from his constituents on a daily basis regardin:g the issue. He statea if they had someone who would like to rnake that presentation, he would be happy to have that occur. Palm Beach County Camfnissioner Karen Marcus stated Jupiter was present, Town Manager Andrew Lu.kasik was present to make the presentation. Mayor Humpage stated that was fine and there was a microphone on the podium for them to speak. Mr. Lukasik thanked everyone for in�iting them. He wanted to give them a general overview. He stated if they had technical questions Mr. Tom Driscoll, Director of Engineering and Public Works was present. He wanted to discuss what their findings were in general. He commented this study was initiated after their Couricil found that several of the traffic 2 " Minutes — 7oint Workshop Meeting February 16, 2006 .. Page 3 miies that were being utilized to keep track of traffic on Indiantown Road. He explained they were finding that a lot of the counts were lower than what was starting to come true. He pointed out their Council determined that it was really critical to understand what the impact was going to be for Indiantown Road, projecting knowledge, and understanding what the development impact was going to be in �hhe future. He statea that the numbers that aze starting to be generated were so far of� of what was anticipated they were not sure how to address it. Prior to �us arrival, Council and StafF went through a fairly , rigorous process of identifying potential development within the Town, and the radius around the town; unincorporated pockets, areas of Martin County, Tequesta, and develapments to the south including Palrn Beach Gardens. He stated they tried ta come up with reasonable assumptions as to what would be developed and how exactly it would � flow through the region. He €eIt with this analysis, they were able to come up with some projections as to what was going to ha.ppen on Indiantawn Road shoutd all their assumptions come true. Town Manager Lukasik reviewed the handout an the Jupiter Area Study handout. He stated they inventoried a 40 square mile azea as noted on Page 2, Map of Development Influence Area. He pointed out the e�sting traf�c on Indiantown Road in 2001 was approximatel� 48,034 VVest of Central $ouievard, a�d 48,356 East Qf Central Boulevard. He stated the 2020 Comp Plan Anaiysis, which was done in 1999 had 56,928 West of Central Boulevard and 54,211 East of Central Boulevard. He referred ta the map area in rec} at the bottom of the page, showing the e�sting Volumes in 2004. He noted the traffic numbers ranged anywhere from 6Q,000 to 80,000, so the traffic projections are already much higher than what some of the assumptions were not long ago. He reviewed the 2004 peak times for' the a.m/p.m conditions. He stated rnost of the intersec#ions an Indian�own Road aze at acceptable Levels of Service with failures at the Florida Turnpike, Military Trail and Alternate AlA. He stated Military Trail and Alternate AlA could be resolved with some land improvements; and the Alternate AlA has a project aiready schedvled. He a�eferred to the AIB and C/D Level of Services, and the average „ da.ily traffic and the links and tbe conditions of the links; half of the links are currently functionai except near tt}e interchange of Indiasitown Road and I-95, tl�ere is �vhere the D and F I.evels of Service start to faiL He stated their greatest challenge was in the Western Corridor area, Central Boulevard area. He referred to Page 7, showing the 2004 Existing Conditions P.M. Peak and Buildout Conditions P.M. Peak. Council Member Genco asked Mr. Lukasik to explain to them how the build out scenazio, what the service volumes exceedance means. She stated that Tequesta would be interested in the Western Corridor to Central Boulevard; she wanted to know the impact of that long-term, any plans, what it means. Mr. Lukasik asked them to refer to a page c3iscussing existing conditions and build out conditions. He stated that even though most of the links still failec� the intersections are working much better in the levels of service. He refened to the bar on the right hand side of the handout, and stated there aze defuutions for the levels of service in terms of measurement but in his perspective vvere too camplex. 3 Minutes — 3oint Workshop Meeting � February 16, 200b = 5 Page 4 - � Town Manager Lukasik mentioned with the build out conditions it assumes a series of = mitigation sixategies. He stated with the mitigatian strategies, the Ievels of service are � going to be predominantly benefit as an intersection and this is what they are really>going � to focus on. He stated the Iinks are going to have probiems in terms of volume. " � Council Member Genco felt the timing and traff'ic flow was one issue; she felt what � impacted the residential communiiy was the exceecied volumes, because �hat they Evere loaking at for the Western Corridor was a 25 mph speed limit in residential areas. She � ' � � expIained meaning you have a higher concern for safety. She stated if you are going to ; exceed the service volume, to .her that indicated a concem for safety. She asked how was that being addressed on a planning perspective. Mr. Lukasik stated their analysis was on the intersections of Indiantown Road and not necessariiy on the VVestern Corridor. He nc�ted Island Wa� has a lot af the residential traf�ic moving north through the town, and thus creating sorne prablems on particular roadway and intersectivns. He stated with Island Way he saw better or enhanced levels of service on Central Boulevard and other int�rs�ctic��s on Indianto�nin Road. He s�ted �e volt�me �as st�ll on India�t��cm Rt�ad; what they were trying to address was the ability of traf�c backwazd flow to the intersection. � �� Cc Member Crenca asked whether Mr. Lukasilc's stud� adciressed the concurrency issue of traffic volumes offsite � to contributory azeas. She indicated they have a contributory area, whi�h is Martin County, wiincorporated Palm Beach County, and Viliage of Tequesta that is going to be aciditional traffic. She felt if you are going to �iave service volume exceedance that is going to be going through the residential areas that is the kind of thing that could be addressed at a concurrency review, when looking at the other municipalities. Mr. Lukasik felt they needed to come to an understanding as to what the corridor analysis was a11 about. He stated the analysis did not look at what was happening in the surrounding areas; it did toak at Indiantown Road and some vf the other major roadwa�s in Town but it did not look at Tequesta. �ouncil Member Genco stated that comes back ta where Mayor Humpage was. Mr. Lukasik stated tlie trip generation was coming predominantly from the residential areas, which are the highest teaffic generation they have. He stated one of their mitigation . strategies was to utilize and research and develop. He explained there are other types of uses that have a relatively Iower traffic generatiou rate. He felt the traffic on Indiantown Road was coming from residential, not visa versa; thus theu focus had been how to maintain the tr�c generatian at a reasonable �evel. Cou.ncil Member Genco asked, based on his numbers, if it would be a correct assumption to malce the statement that there would be approximately a 30% increase from the contributory areas to the Western Corridor on CentraI Boulevard. She sYated the prior number was 49,000 and the projected was 75,000. Mr. Driscall ariswered that the service volumes exceeded. He noted one of the Town's Councilor was not present, and as an engineer, he actually developed the spreadsheet and created the term. He noted what he was shawing was the number of trips originally in the study that were projected to exceed the level of service `D' for the Average Annual Daily Tr�c (AADT) for Indiantown Road. He stated this was a cutout of a portion of the 4 Minutes — Joint Workshop Meeting , February 16, 2006 Page S Study. He commented the spreadsheet that he developeci w�s a way to layout certain mitigation strategies and certain reductions, how they got the traffic back to within a reasonable level. He stated this was a volume to capacity ra.tio of 1.2 so although the link is nat at l, and it is not perfect they were able to get it back down to what was considered . a manageable level. He stated that some of the graphics shawn are links, and actually show you the existing conclitiozis and build outs that give an F, B, or a D, and showing the r�DT an that link in the 1�1.M. or P.M. peak. He stated there are two nwnbers for � each link, one represenYed A.M., the other P.M., but in the analysis you are Iooking more at headway in the int€rsections and your level of service at those vs. AADT strictly. He stated in tlus study, the azea the study was done in conjunction with Palm Beach County. He stated what the study looked at was a11 tiie Iand adjacent to Indiantown Road that was not developed and looked at it as how retail would draw traffic. He pointed out it looked like it generated a certain valume of traffic on Indiantown Road a:nc� that is how the model was crea.ted and that is when it was deternuned how much traffic would be generated. � Councit Member Geneo stated if you were to loak at this, and she is looking at it from a Iogistical paint of view, it looked like the increased traffc was going to come from Martin County, and Jupiter that put most of it north of them. She stated. the collector roads, which would be going to the in�ersections were put in the study would primaril� be west of Tequesta which means any traffic from the collector roads that were generated in Tequesta would be primarily Tequesta residents, with the exception of Turtle Creek and Bermuda Terrace. She asked Mr. Driscoll, knawing from his experience and doing the studies, woutd he say that the percentage increase and the service exceedance would be coming primarily from the Jupiter/Tequesta area that is in Tequesta or north which is in Martin County, and the new development that is occurring in Jupiter along Island Way. Mr. Driscoll stated what drives the trip generation is what the attractor is, the destina.tion so the destination in this case would be retail office, Home Depot and Wal-Mazt. He felt he could not answer her question exaetly. � Commis�ioner Mazcus thought she cauld answer Councii Member Genca's question. She stated what the Town of Jupiter has done was what Paim Beach County was asking their local communities to do, because they have these main thoroughfares tha.t are over capacity, and what are they supposed to do when they have an adopted level of servzce of D. She explained there are two parts; f�rst the ordinance that the County enacted, a countywide ordinance, is flawed. She pointed she has been trying for ten years to get them to change it because they have certain threshoids of projects they do not look at. She stated if you are a project of 500 units or less you don't get looked at and if you have two on a street you sti11 don't get looked at, and the cumulative effect of tha,t has caused an over capacity on Indiantown Road. She feit this is why they are in this situation today. She stated what Jupiter did was when they discovered that Indiantown Road, because of their ordinance being flaweci, was going to get at this threshold they stepped in and were the f�rst city, that wanted to ta.ckle this problem, and with their help they can come up with mitigation efforts. She sta.tea this will effect a11 of the side roads because once you figure out how to reduce the traffic then your intersection weights are a lot less. He felt 5 Minutes •- Joint Workshog Meeting February 16, 2006 Page 6 . this will effect all the residents so it is a longer, bigger broader groblem than they have been abie to discuss but she felt this sets the stage about why they are here today. She stated that they have come to the table with a bunch of mitigation efforts that are going to improve Indiantown Road but she just wanted them to understand what the history of the . Study was. Council Member Paterno �vanted to clarify wl�at Co�nmissioner Marcus was saying is that � their study oniy directly went to the intersections along Indiantown Road and took no other factors in as far as the residential azeas, and basically trying to move the tr�c and spread it out more so you have a better flow af traffic and less bottlenecks. Mr. Driscoll felt it was not spreading aut the traff'�a He gave an example, and felt Commissianer Marcus made a great point in trying to explain. He explained Indiantown Road and Military Trail, in the buiid out year would have failed. He stated the intersection would ha.ve failed; it would have had a level of service of `F' or `E'; and the delay at the intersection was 85 seconds.� He stated tliat as a mitigation strategy they were able to add a second westlwund ieft turn lane; by doing tl�is they brought the intersection level of service to a`D' at under 55 seconds. He explained that was one of the mitigation strategies; another ane would have been Alternate AlA and Indiantown Road and this in#ersectian failed but h� adding a northbound left turn lane, that brought that le�el of service for the intersection to a`D'. Similar to that is Central Boulevazd, which has a lot of issues. He explained that Central has a lot of traffic and in addition to that you have the fire station, so whenever there is any kind of public . emergency the fire station preempts the signat and that messes up the intersection. He explained that at Central the developers of Parcel 19 WCI are funding a southbound additional right turn lane. He explained they are still working with the County on the northbound left turn lane. He explained right now there are dual lef� turn lanes and it is a little problematic and they are working with the County on how to handle this in the future. 1�1r. Driscoll explained the thought is that by extending Island Way to the south into Jupiter Park of Commerce they will actually relieve some of the trafFic at Central Boulevard and Indiantown Road, potentially mitigating the need to put in a triple left turn there so this is one they are looking at as more of a wait and see. He explained the other mitigation strategy that has not been approved was to add some actual interchange modifications at Inaiantown Road to handle a slip ramp or ramp to Is1and VVay. He stated they are going through a tough process with FHWA and FDOT; they aze still working on it and it is being done through George Webb's (County Engineer) office. He stated they aze also trying to build a frontage road between Bush Road and Maplewood Drive which would aet as a little bit of a reliever there, take some of the traffc off of Center Street and Indiantown Road. He explained this gives them a little bit of a flavor of the mitigation strategies. Commissioner Marcus sta.ted the Town of Jupiter did a bond referendum to acquire � environmentally sensitive lands and public lands to take trips off th� �oad. She explained they are working with Jupiter on some mixed use projects instead of the big box type projects, some that are less of a traffic impact. � 6 Minutes -- Joint Workshop Meeting February 16, 2Q06 Page 7 Mr. George Webb, Count� Engineer, introduced himself and stated that Jupiter has been very successful. He thoaght he understood their questions and is going to try f�o answer them. He stated traff c engineers sat down azound a table, from Martin County, Tequesta, Jupiter, Pa1m Beach County, and said what vacant properties are out here, what is going _ to happen on each of those vacant properties traffic wise, what couid they grow to be, and genera.te traffic, where is tha.t traf�'c going to go, and what roads is it going to go on. He stated the� did this whole exercise; what they see today focases on Indiantoutn Road but ; they looked at Island Way, they looked at U.S.1, they looked at all the other roads in the area and said `this is where we are putting it, how much traffic is going to from the existing tra�c and the "Co t� builY' projects coming in al1 these communities'. He stated this is what the exercise was and it was the Jupiter area. He stated the facus ended up being the two-lane roads were going to be fine as faz as capacity standpoint but . Indiantown Road was the proble�n, so the focus was on the prablem. He mentioned he did not have the complete stezdy with him but what they aze looking for is if there are 6000 cars a day on Loxahatchee River Road a year ago what are they projecting on I.oxahatchee River Road and Island Way when it is fiiushed, is it 25,000 or is it 7,500 distributed between the two. He explained he was trying to get those numbers of what tliose projections aze on the iwo main roads to give everyone a sense as to what the difference is of what is out there today from what we see; either way you do not need a 6 lane superhig�iway coming through there because both of those can handle the projections, but it is going to go up. Council lbiember Genco stated what she is seeing is Island Way and by apening up the bottleneck that you have on Indiantown Road wha.t yau may be doing is reversing some of the traffic that previously was coming through south on Co�ntry Club Drive to get to U.S.1 to go to Indiantown Road, to come back up, you now have reversed #hat traffie and people wi11 go north on Country Club Drive to Island Way, and utilize that as an outlet. She explained, what concerns the Village is whether or not changing the direction of traffic flow was gaing to result in more traffic within the residential area because basica.11y they are very concerned about the safety issues coming through the Village; as ; well as the coxnmercial traf�'c which uses their bridge. Mr. Webb explained that Pa}m Beach County has a counting program where they put down the rubber tubes and people - drive over them and they can track that and know directianally where and what time of day people are doing. He stated hopefuily they will have done that before all the bridges got shut down but they will at �east be abie to compare and see what people are driving this year 2006 compared historically for 2005/2004, if there is a change in driving patterns and if so, how much. Commissioner Weberman asked if the study that was done inclu�led origin and destination information. Mr. Webb responded he thought the traffic engineers did it the same way they would do it, saying this is vacant parcel af land, it has commercial so we � aze going ta project the current zoning in this area, and we have a sense that the split vviil be 75% going north and 25% going south. It was asked. if there was an origin. Mr. Webb stated no. � 7 Minutes — Joint Workshop Meeting � :, .. � February 16, 2006 } Page 8 � ; Commissioner Weberman thought they were coming off of a pretty big victory. He stated the tri-party agreement between Jupiter, Palm Beach County and Martin County that opened up Is1and Way, there were some people that were upset about som� of the aspects af it, going back to before he was a commissioner. He felt Commissioner Marcus ` would probably laugh about the threats to close Loxahatchee R.iver Road and Martin County was going to do t(us, but they accomplished a big victory. He stated what they � need to be careful of is besides geographical analysis of this region there aze also political decisions. He sta.ted between t�ie four roads in this geographically constrained area every road, if you shift traffic from one to another someone who gets a benefit, someone else probably gets an equal and opposite detriment. For example, thexe v�ere Martirz County : ', residents that did not want Island Way extended, they did not wattt traff c going in front i of their homes. In Palm Beach County there were people who wanted to get Martin � County traffic aff of Loxahatchee River Road, the Village of T`equesta wants to keep , everyone off of Tequesta Drive and Martin County residents, Little C1ub and County Line Road, those residents dc� nat want through traffc. Thus, he stated, they have to be carefiil and this is a good meeting for them to start talking about good solid information � of what happens on one road does not happen to the detriment of somebody else. He felt wha# they needed to have noxv tl�at the road was open, and involving all four parties; they need some origin and destination information. He noted when he hears people sa.ying that �he opening of Island Way is going to cause more traffic to the north, he does not believe this to be true because there are no detractors, no gas sta.tions, no resta.urants. He stated as much as he telis people that, because they do not have origin and destination information, everyone believes in their own belief, which will benefit their political decisions. He explained what he is haping will come out of this is rnaybe they need to have the Regionai Planning Council ar somebody, and do away with some of the myths and fallacies and f nd out exactly where these people are going. He understood where the Viliage stand, and knows they want to get traffic, that they do not believe belongs in their to�wn, aut of the Village. He pointed. out the Village has to remember that probably impacts someone else negatively somewhere else. He stated this is vc�her� he is on this, and he is act�ily glad thc� are laoking at impro�em�nts to Indiantown Road. He believed that arteriai traffic should be on arterials roads, and . residential txa.ffic should be on residential roads. Mayor Humpage stat€d that when they spoke, and this may be totally an engineering � issue of origin and traffic, and where folks were going, there is a calculation or equation that can be plugged into tbese areas that would define the main raads. For instance, people who live in a particular area who want to go to I-95 or the turnpike and to U.S.1; was �ere any calculation that we can throw ir�to the mix. He knew what Commissianer Weberman was saying 6ecause now that Isiand Way was open to I-95, and you Iive west of the bridge here you go out Island Way instead of goir�g through Center Street; .that's just what people do. He asked again is there some kind of proportional caleulation that �you can figure that those roads are the attraction, the main arteries. 8 1Vlinutes — Joint Workshop Meeting February 16, 2006 Page 9 � Mr. Webb responded they have a long-range transportation model but he v�ould not use it i for wha.t Mayor Humpage is tallcing about. He stated. that Commissioner We�rman is - right, you are going to need, in essence, do a survey of drivers, stopping them an a street and asking where did they start fmm and where are you going. He stated to just get a sense of the actual, even the traffic engineers saying they know what the trat�tc patterns are up there, but they will just have their opinions as far as if traffic is going to shift around and go different directions and so forth. He explained that the� did da some of � that, saying with this new road going in it is going to be more attractive so certainly they thought there would be a significant shift from Loxahatchee River Road and depending on if you are going to I-95 this is a better way ta go than il.S.l. He stated they did some of that, was it the right number, traffic cou.nts will see, but probably an actual O&D study, the origin and destination would give a better feel of exactly where people aze coming from. He stated they do get that when they do census information, an average trip, but they get it once every ten yeazs. Cvuncil Memt�er Genco stated she thought Commissioner Weberman's concept would answer a Iot of their questians. She also wanted to note that due to the recent change in the trafFc pattem because of the bridge elosing, it pointed out that there ate a couple of , inte�sections that are dangerous and probably will need more signage or stop signs and . that is the intersection that comes out of Little Club on Country Club Drive. She explained that there were several accidents there, which were not pleasant, due to not � enough stop signs, but it is up to an engineer to figure out what the problem is. She explained there atso were accidents at the Island Way and Country Club Drive intersection so if they are going to be migrating some of the traffc west to Island Way and then to Indiantowri Road, she felt that as a safety issue someone needed to stezdy, and come up with some additional safety measures at both of those intersections. Vice�Mayor Watkins wanted ta comment that the accidents that Council Member Genco was talking abaut were bad but she thought they were triggered by the excessive traffic. She stated they a11 learned how interdependent and interconnected they are when the b�idge went dawn in Tequesta. She felt that if you did an origin and destination study you would fmd out that they have quite a bit more traffic on the west side in Tequesta. She noted people are going to Pratt that way now, and it really cuts a few minutes off of their trip. She felt it would be an interesting study, but noted she is hesitant tv rely on traffic issues that happened because of the excessive tr�c for the bridge being closed. Couneil Member Genco felt it was a good indicator that there is a problem, because Martin County has quite a bit of property north of Tequesta, wi11 get developed, and that traffic will be coming through both of the intersections. She stated that is why by looking at the traffic patterns it would aniicipate a problem, and try to head it off. Mayor Hurnpage asked if they found that when Isiand Way was opened, that there was significant tr�c taken off of Central Boulevard and Loxahatchee River Road. Mr. Webb respanded they have not done the traf�ic counts but they certainly. heard from the residents of Loxahatchee IZiver Road saying it was a change and thanked them, but as for � that amount, he did not have any hard numbers. - 9 Minutes — Joint Workshop Meeting � February 16, 2006 Page 10 Mayor Huiiipage refened back to Commissioner Weberman's comment that he was sure when that occurred the people in the Moorings were probably not happy. Cornmissioner Weberman wanted Mr. Gary Roberts, Martin County Deputy Engineer to speak regarding the residents concerns at Little Club. Commissioner Weberman stated they found there was no substantial change; he thought it was a good ten yeazs since someone had done any good origin and destina.tion work and he still hopes that at some point they will mave in that direction. He felt that a11 four parties sitting at the ta.ble today would benefit from the information. ' Mr. Gary Roberts stated that Martin County is on a similar program to what Paim Beach County does for the traffic counting program. He explained they basically count a11 the major links at least twice a year. He explained once Island Way opened up, about four months after it opened up, they took a count to see wha:t the traffic had been relocated from Loxahatchee River Road to Island Way and they took a count the last week of September, and the averaga over seven days was about 4,000 cars a day. He explained that notizing really had changed that much in Martin County but there was a shift from some of the connections getting down to Indiantown Road that used some of the other corridors, did shift over to Island Way, and they had some counts as high as 4,300. He explained there was that diversion from some af the existing corridors by the construction of this road. Council Member Paterno agreed the study was done in September, but asked about the other study that was done a year ago, that did it not show much higher volume in the winter. Mr. Roberts stated they will be taking a count again in those areas, and they try to do this every quarter and like to pick the pealc tourist season on those major corridors. Commissioner Marcus wanted to ask Mr. Webb if they have seen any reduction on Counhy Club Drive, because she felt that was what Tequesta was interested in, how much of this diversion when they did the Western Comdor. She explained it brought them to the agreement that everyone was going to get a shift somewhere but it was going to be to the mutual benefit and she knew that Tequesta was worried that everyone was going to go down Loxahatchee River Road or Country Club Drive, and this would give them some diversion. She sta.ted the road has not been open that long so she felt it is probably not a fair time to count until they get a little time where people aze accustomed and aware of the fact that it is open. One of the things she heazd this morning was they wanted to see the connection between Western Corridor and Limestone Creek but that already exists and is open; so they are opening as many venues so people can move around. She felt they would want to do all the analysis before they do the origin and destination; give it maybe six months, make sure it is esta.blished, let people know the road is there, and see how much the.diversion created, where it all went, etc. The other part, the other discussions, she explained, has been about what type of traffic calming. She stated they have great police protection on their roads, everybody knows you need to drive 25 mph or else; others may want to put speed humps and things like to do the traffic calming. She stated that whatever traffic calming they choose to do at some point probably needed to be done together. 10 Minutes — Joint VVorkshop Meeting Febrnary 16, 2006 Page I 1 � Cauncil Member Paterna stated one of the things he has gotten since the bridge closed in the past week was residents on the west side and also on the east side of Tequesta. bridge were very happy with the less volume of traffic. Unfortunately for the peopie in Little Club, it pushed all the traffic in Martin County from North Passage, Litt1e Club, and a11 the Island Way, if they wanted to go to U.S.I, was through Little Club. He felt this was unfortunate for the people in Little Ctub. He thought there was another dynamic there, which was not a feeder road going through Martin Cot�nty to U.S.l, so it forced it ; through Tequesta. He explained he thought this was one of the big concerns of their ' � residents and he haci heard from many of them, telling him that they were actually happy the bridge was closed t�ause tl�� volum� af tt�affic, tt�e kids �ctuatiy Went ou�side tcs p1a� and they did not have to worry ahout it. He was just mentioning it because it was a big concern of their residents. Ma�or Humpage explained that when the Village trys to stay neighborly �p here in the north end and when they try to � work with Martin Couniy, is there any feasibility of a connector road connecting Cozanty Line Road to Island Way, is that feasible, where it dead ends into Little Club. Cofnmissioner Weberman asked if he was taiking about the infaznous Giri Scout Club Road. Mayor Humpage answered yes. Commissioner Weberman explained Martin County Commissioners, going back to Doc Meyers struggled with that and the truth of the u��tter is there will never be a cc>nsensus in Little Club. He explaaned the Little Club Homeoumers Association and the Little Club Condo Owners Association will always be at odds so you have an equal and oppasite group of people opposed to it. He stated even if they couid reach a consensus then you have the issue of going through the State park wetlands, and you have all sorts of very strict sta.te rules. He explained that when he first took offiee he did a study af the residents to what they yvanted and surprisingly, it was a�ut a 50-SD split with competing interests. He supposed the day he leaves o�ce the new commissioner corning in would be asked the same quesnon. He did not believe it would ever happen, is it possible but nq they will never reach consensus and there will always be enough environment� roadblocks, he believed, to stall it for yeazs. Mayor Humpage asked Commissioner Weberman if has ever talked with the state on this issue. Commissioner Weberman respanded they pursued it a eouple of times to see, what the state issues would be. He stated you have ta work with the state park service, you have to get appraval from Tallahassee and there is a huge wetland right there on the southern border of the park, and it � is very difficult. He continaed to say it is not impossible, but he �vould call it highly unlikely. He explained that for tl�e Martin County Commissioners it puts ail five commissioners, not only the south county commissioner, but all commissioners in an unwinnable situation of pitting resident against resident. Council Member Genco stated that one thing that remains a concern, with the way that the traffic patterns are proposed and with the condition of their bridge being what it is, it is highly possible the Village of Tequesta, since they own the bridge, if they decide to limit truck h�affic and weights on that bridge; she suggested having a weight limit of ftve tons because it is safety issue. - 11 � Minutes �- Joint Workshop Meeting .. February 16, 2006 Page 12 Commissioner Weberman responded they have already made some dec�sions. He stated their roads have aiready been posted for no thru trucks: He stated there is a problem with enforcement and if Tequesta took an action that caused some kind of reaction he would assume the south count� residents would insist the 1Vlartin County Sheriff actually enforce the no thru hvcks in Martin County to a higher level which could cause the Town of Jupiter or Commissioner Marcus with Loxahatchee River Road some unanticipated consequences. His caution to them was be careful what yau ask for because you may do ' samething that has an even worse equal and opposite reaction. Couricil Member Genco stated this is one thing that the Village is extremely concerned about because unfortunately they aze being pushed to make that kind of decision. She explained that the bridge is a fixture that they cannot really do much about; even repairing it is still going to leave them prone. She explained that the bridge cleclined e�rtremely quickly because of the fact that tiiey have m�ch h�a�ier t�cl�s �t�ilizing it than the �ridge was design�d far. Commissioner Weberman �nderstood what Council Member Genco felt but he wanted to caution her ta read the agreements that transfened the bridge. He explained that she might think Council could do something, but actaally may not be able to. Council Member Genco stated it is a good precaution but it was a big concern. Council 1blember Paterno commented that he read in the paper, back in October of last yeaz, that there was a similaz situation in St. Lucie/Martin County, they were trying to get some funds because they were directly putting some of their developments right onto their roads. He feit that was a very similar sitUa.tion that they have with Turtle Creek and all the north passage. He stated that because of not having that road going through the county line they aze basica.tly doing exactly what they did not want St. Lucie to do to them. He was not sure everyone realizeci that was going on in the south area. He stated the only way to get from the north passage because they will not go through Little Club because of the traf�c situation there it forces them down Tequesta Drive. For instance, he stated they did a preliminaxy study, Turtle Creek, which is a 1blartin County development, puts 4S% of the traffic on Country Club Drive. He stated when they did it last year, which is a big number they feed directly onto their street. Thus, they have no way of migrating the traffic or the truck traffic going into the Martin County development, they have to come througlz Tequesta. He stated their residents are very upset ai�out it at this point, because the volume is picking up to the point where it is a problem. Commissioner Weberman agreed with everything Council Member Paterno said but what they found out and wY�at most of them they knew anyway when talking about Port St. Lucie traffic coming onto Martin Courity roads, _fhe way the state comprehensive planning laws are written, it is irrelevant where the traffic comes from. He explained what the deciding factor was, Level of service. He once again wanted to make a caution to them to check with their attorney. He stated there are certain responsibilities of ha.ving a publicly declared open road and. when you put in what may be considered an artificial resfiriction on it someone may be able to file an injunction. He stated he is not an attorney but they need to be real cautious when dealing with public declared roads. 12 Minutes — Joint Workshop 1Vleeting February 16, 2406 Page 13 '. Council Member Genco requested the Village Manager to �ook at their contract from the Department of Transportation on the bridge. She indicatea she would definitely take under advisement what he has cautioned them about. However, $he stated it is her ' personal opinion because of the heavy commercia.l traffc that she would support limiting the weight on their bridge. She felt it was a sa.fety issue, they need to make it less for as long as they can until they can get it replaced and having heavy commercial traffic utilizing it, they aze going to end up in the same situation in another two years. � Commissioner Weberman agreed, saying he wanted to be known as the coxnmissioner of caution. He explained there are certain responsibilities that come along with maintaining public roads. Council Member Faterno agreed, stating what they are asking for is cooperation among ali of them, giving equal access to migrate the traffic out of these areas, for instance in Martin County, Tequesta and anywhere in Jupiter, but do it equally. Vice-Mayor Watkins stated it is a geograghic issue. Martin County Vice Chair DiTerliz�i stateci that Council Member P�terno mentioned Port St. Lucie traffic and this is in his ciistrict. He stated when he became a commissioner Palm Beach County said they were going to shut down Loxahatchee River Road and Martin County was telting Port St. Lucie they were going to shut do�n Murph� Road and the fact is the residents want relief. He stated they struggled with this north county issue and great divide on their board of agreeing with great debate whether to build the western corridor. He stated they aze .inundated with 15,000 to 20,000 cazs a day from Port St. Lucie coming onta their residential roads and they are going to spend the money to get them off those roads. He stated Port St. Lucie basically told them `sorry, we really do nat care, they are coming to ser�e yuu and they are buying their gas in �our town and they are having lunch in your town, they work in your town, so you aze enjoying the benefits of our residents and we're just getting them to live here', so it is a really difficult thing to do. He tells his regidents they a.re public roads and as much as he does not like it, they look for relief where they can get relief and the relief is usually very controversial. He stated, just like Commissioner Weberman sta.ted eazlier, he knew the Boy Scout Road, he knew how contro�ersial tha.t is for Little Club, because he has heard both sides of that argument, especially in this area with tl� Loxahatchee River and both forks and understanding the topography of the park and all that; that is one of the big political problems they have is having to find solutions, they thought the Western Corridor in south caunty was the solntion to a lot of these problems. He agreed one solution may create another problem. Cauncil Member Genco stated she is in support of it. She wanted to make Commissioner DiTerlizzi aware that Tequesta is building a fairly large commercial plaza redevelopment, which she suspects will draw some of Martin County and some of Jupiter again through their village. She stated that if she looked at this and took all these bottles and put them upside down and one contained marbles for Martin County, one for Palm Beach County and one for the Village of Tequesta, all of them are going through one bottleneck down there, she did not see that the residential tra.ffic impact on Tequesta is going to be signif cantly different. The only thing that � she saw that was of significance to them is 13 _ Minutes — Joint Workshop Meeting February 16, 2006 Page 14 again the commercial part and when they do their long term planning of Jupiter, Martin " County and Palm Beach County unincorporatecl. She hoped that he would consider the fact that they ha.ve a bottleneck and she does not see this changing anytime soon. Commissioner DiTerlizzi responded that when Council Member Genco mentioned long term planning, their comprehensive plan basically designated a11 of south county as residential, south of Jonathan Dickinson Park. He explained that they had no attractors. He stated their residents cannot go to the grocery store in Martin County, they cannot even get a gallon of gas in Martin Caunty, south of the park. He stated they are stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to what they have and they are pretty much built out other than the western area that is outside of their service boundary, at least their primary boundary and this is big problem for them. Mayor Humpage stated he iiked the dialogue here and he really thought this was a unique problem because they have < geographicat obstacles, it is not just a town, a county, a village, and you have geographical issues. He stated they certainly do not want to let anyone put a road through the State Park. He sta.ted this is an issue, and the water is an issue. He commented what they really are tiying to do may be some other ways to att�ck this. He explained they ha.ve tatked at council meetings; for instance the residential tr�c, as Council Member Genco stated, is not one of the key ;ssues but a lot of the cornmercial traf�ic is. He expiained it beats up their roads so maybe an avenue they need to look at is a permitting increase for commercial vehicles to help subsidize the costs of repairs and maintenance of the roadways. He thought they were are all just hying to be good neighbors, get the people where they want to go in the most expedient manner. Ms. Kim Roden, Martin County Engineering Operations Manager pointed out the use of speed humps. Mayor Humpage sta.ted he does not �ike speed humps. Ms. Roden stated if you want a truck to stay off your road better than a weight limit, and having an officer sitting there, speed humps, they will get tired of them. She stated you do not have to have the nasty ones. Mayor Humpage statecl that in Palm Beach County on Loxahatchee River Road it says just `bump', in Martin Coiiuty it says `speed hump'. Ms. Roden responded that theirs were the first humps they ever did and they have been fine-iuned. She stated they could be detraction for truck traffic better than a weight limit. Council Member Genco stated she noticed in North Palm Beach �here they did the traffic islands and those ended up severely restricting commercial trat�ic because no one wanted to slow down and the curves were too tight. She stated t}us is an option they have because the easement right outside Turtle Creek is pretty much belongs to the Village of Tequesta. Ms. Roden sta.ted they did it off north of Donald Ross Road on Prosperity and on Palmwood and it actually has been somewhat effective. Mayor Humpage stated that Niayor Karen Golonka has done a lot of that in Jupiter, too. He asked her if those islands were working, calm the tr�c considerably. Commissioner Don Danieis stated it slows them down. Ivlayor Golonka stated they aze very tight and they did not have a lot to work with in the older neighborhoods. 14 Minutes -- Joint Workshop Meeting February 16, 2006 Page 15 _ Mayor Husnpage stated they have covered agenda Items 1 and 2 tvgether. He thought that Cornmissioner Weberman's idea to do the analysis was probabl� the best thing for j them to do to get started to see the exact origin and where they aze going. Commissioner Weberman wanted to defer to Commissioner Mazet�s, if she thought they needed more time but he thought it was a Regionat Planning Council issue and he thought they were a11 memtlers of the Regional Flanning Council. Commissioner Marcus stated an origin and destinatian stud� was expensive, so her suggestion would be to wait until the Western Corrmdar is up there, people aze more familiar with it, they do not have the bridge problems, see what the use of distribution is during the season, and th�n come back and look at whether or nat they have to do that, or if there is still some uncomfortable traffic for some of the residentials; soine of the local governments can look at tra#fic calming devices also because they are going to go somewhere, it is just what type of iraffic you are going ta ha�e on the raad. 2) Discussion of issues regarding the Western Corridor/Island Way development and trnffic Covered under Item 1. 3) Zoning and code enforcement issues adjacent to the Village boundaries (i.e. infrastructure/sh�red respoasibilities) Mayor Humgage was not �ure what the issue was regardir�g Code Enforcement. Vil2age Clerk Cazlisle stated Item 3 was made at the suggestion of Council Member Genco; it was a consensus of Council to place on tlus agenda. Council Member Genco stated she brought this issue up because the Village aestheticall�, when driving through it is very seamless, and when you are looking at azeas that are unincorporated Palm Beach County and Martin County, you do not realize that is nat the Village. In fact, she stated, all the residents o€ those areas like to say that they live in the Village of Tequesta and they actually dan't. She sta.ted that when you go through those azeas, which she does very frequently on her bike, she notieed that there are a lot of cade violations. She noted there is a�ot of constructian in N�artin Coun#y areas �here people are putting additions on their houses without pernuts; she sees driveways being built without the necessary swales which is a water quality issue; and she sees a Iot of work being done, both in the unincorporated Pa1m Beach County area and Martin County without code enforcement. She stated it is to the detriment of the Village because so many people think that they aze areas of the Village. She indicated she wauld like to see Palm Beach County and Martin Countp be a little bit mQre diligent in some of the code enforcement issues. Again, it comes down to safety if you have someone doing additions ar changing a gazage into a room without the proper permits; it is a water quaiity issue when you have people doing driveways without permits and swales, it is an issue possibly where yoa ha�e people replacing ati the windows in their homes without pernuts. She stated they are losing taac revenues, aa�d the Village is being impacted adverse�y from it. 15 - Minutes — Joint Workshop Meeting _ February 16, 2006 Page 16 Mayar Humpage explained he is a contractor and it is a tough eall. He exp�ained he travels azound, has a license, he pays aIl his insurances and when he sees work going on whether it be in the Village of Tequesta or in Jupiter by unlicensed personnel he calls it in. He stated he has his Iicense and he needs to protect his industr�. But he understands, . too, because he works with both Martin County aad Pa.tm Beach County. He felt their code compliance people are overwhelmed so it becomes a matter of dollazs, how you get this resolved. He noted he has enough troubie getting through the inspection process, � because the development is �overwhelmimg. He understands Councll Member Genco's comments but he understands it is tough to do this, and felt some assistance might come through some af the contractors to assist the count� in identifying azeas where �ou have work occurring. He felt it is not fair to have licensed contractors have work stolen from them to unlicensed people. Commissioner Marcus responded Mayor Humpage Lvas c4rrect; tl�te County i� huge and does not have enough code enforcement personnel. She commented their code enforcement is usuaily into redevelopment areas and areas that have a history of all sorts of probiems, not just illegal buiidings but just like having a boat in your front yard type. ` She stated with Martin County it has to be a drive for any serious ongoing code enforcement issues due to the Park boundaries. �ne thing that she thought they could look at it is an interiocal agreement, giving the Yi�lage the je�risdiction to do code enforcement within those unincorporated baundaries of Palm Beach County and Martin County. She stated if you have code enforcement right there, and you are a smaller area that gives �ou the ability to go it immediately. She was not sure how it affected different codes, but working without a license was certain�y a problem. She believed the County could pa.y a portion tawards code enforcement, if it could get an additional code enforcement officer for the additional area. She stated this is something they could put on the table if everyone had an interest in doing that. Commi��ioner Weberman stated they had zero tolerance for unlicensed activity. He stated anyone observes something to ca.11 them and they will put it on a list. They are ' working hard and have some pretty good coae enforcement officers who have a pretty high compiiance rate. He stated that something that has happened that is very unsettling, because of the hurricanes, and he will not name names of the developments, they have some deveiopments that instead of bundling up their debris, they are dumping it over the fence on the public right-of=way. He talked with their waste management people and they are going to take a real hard line on that. He spent a lot of time in South County, and if they observe something, ca.11 it in, if they need to follow up further, they will. He stated what mc�st of the people are seeing is the biandiing up and dumping, the lazy yard management people within the gated communities. Council Member Genco stated she sees a lot of that but she sees also construetion code violations and when she is on her bike she does not ha.ve the time to right down the address. But what she wanted to ask of Commissioner Weberman, and she loved Commissioner Marcus' response, is if he would not delegate something to them, if they would have their code enforcement officers go on some kind of schedule where at least twice a month they drive down through this area looking for violations, she would greatly appreciate it. - 16 Minutes — Joint Workshop Meeting February 16, 2006 Page 17 , ;� Commissioner Webermart responded he was going to have Mr. Ballantye, the County Administrator speak with the Village Manager. He stated he is speaking for the entire Board of Commissioners and none of them want to see unlicensed activity going on; he s#ated they would look into it. Mayor Humpage stated one of the tl�ings they just got involved in, and he did not know if it was in Commissioner Marcus' jurisdiction or Mayor Golonka's jurisdiction, but he happened to be working one day and he was driving. on Loxahatchee River Roacl or ma�be it was on Pennock Point. He went by a large pile , of debris and on this pile of waste was an orange iridescent sticker, stuck to it, placed there by Waste Management, and because it was a Waste Management sticker it said `This is not debris they will pick up, must be removed at owner's expense'. He stated they met with Waste Management recently and they have instituted ttiat in the Village, they go by anyway, they will stick it on the pile if they do not pick it up and that allows their code et�csrcement offic�� to now fo11o� th�t sticl�er, axtd that may . help. He suggested. they tatk to Waste Mana.gement because there is no addit�onal charge for that service. < Commissioner Wet�rman again stated their county administrator would speak vwith the Village Manager ta get more insight on Mayor Humpage's observations. Commissioner Doug Smit.h stated they do tttis in Martin County. Mayor Golonka. commented on the orange stickers, that every so of#en they need to remind VVaste Managemen# they need to be doing this. She stated that when they instituted it in their area, it was great and then it just fell off. Mayar Humpage stated that the change in personnel is taugh, they keep changing drivers; he stated they keep in contact with Mr. Sabin so hopefully they will kick this issue. Mayor Golonka stated if the homeowner innocently did not know or the neighbor was wonderirig why something was sitting there, it just makes everyone a little happier. Mayor Hutnpage agreed. 4) Any Related Matters Commissioner Weberman wanted Mr. Roberts, Martin County Deputy Engineering Director to give the Village Council a briefmg on some construction activity they will be doing in Turtle Creek in three or four weeks. Mr. Roberts stated the work to be done�is a resurfacing projec# azound the 'I'urtle Creek area, around $1Q0,000 worth of work, they aze going to include some landscaping and improvements, particularly around the guard house area. He stated that since they do not really have a contractor on board yet the logical way to do is to require them to come in on Indiantown Road, up Island Way to Country Club Drive and then into Turtle Creek area, minimizing the impact on the ather roads through the azea. He stated the schedule right now, they are looking at sometime starting the middle of March and looking at 6Q-day period. He mentioned the way the asphalt and aggregate is going right now, he is not sure when they are going to get those materials and when they are really going to start. He stated it is really becoming a major issue and the dollar costs are escalating. Commissioner Weberman envisioned that when the trucks actually come through, they will get some calls and they wanted to make sure they understood what it was, where 17 j Minutes — Joint Workshop Meeting � February 16, 2006 Page 18 they were going and what route they would be taking. Council Mernber Paterno asked if it was possible to open up a temporary gate for the trucks going into Turtle Creek, so they do not drag weighted materials through Tequesta. Commissioner Weberman stated this is private property. Mayor Humpage wanted ta mention the bridge is now an issue, the parts are being manufactured and whether it is tv�o weeks or whatever, he is not sure. He stated that` when the materials get here and the cranes are brought in, they would close the bridge again in both directions for probably a week while they remove the two center spans and replace them. He stated they would give them as much warning as they can when they have the information but the slabs have to be onsite and the equipment has to be onsite. At that point in tune it is more fiugai to change both spans simultaneously than to try to , do one then the other so they wili have to close the bridge. Commissioner Webert�an asked that the Village notify their engineering department. He stated they have a great way of getting information out; it is surprising how many south Martin County residents watch their MCT'V channel. Commissioner Marcus wanted to make sure she understoQd tha.t when they get ready to repave the road they are going to be bringing up the asphalt up Country Club and Tequesta Drive. Commissioner Weberman stated there is no other way to go. Commissioner Marcus asked how many trucks there were. Commissioner Weberman � res�nded seven total. Com�ussioner Marcus sta:ted seven tatal over a couple weeks or a couple months. Council Member Genco stated si�y days. Commissioner Weberman sta.ted seven days of actual work might take seven montl2s. Mr. Roberts stated that is t,he entire construction period, which is the landscaping and some of the improvements around the guardhouse. Mr. Roberts stated they could probably go in and probably do the actual resurfacing within a day or two once they got the paperwork. Comunissioner Mazcus asked if that was the seven trucks. Mr. Roberts confirmed yes. Commissioner Marcus stated you couid bring the other trucks in for the landscaping and stuff in the other direction. Mr. Roberts stated whichever way is best. Commissioner Marcus stated �she thought Tequesta would like them to, if the� ha�e to bring the asphalt in one way that is one way but if you bring the landscaping and do the rest of it from the other side, that - is probably best. Commissioner Weberman noted Mr. Roberts or the project manager wouid call Mr. Couzzo. He mentioned at this point he did not want them to be surprised, and they wi11 work out any details they need to. Commissioner Marcus stated that their bridge, which was pre-planned to be closed. She stated the Loxahatchee River Road Bridge improvements at the residents' request was to be closed last year, but they postponed it to do some design features on it and so it ended up being ciosed this year. She statea it wou�d be reopened in April. Mayor Humpage stated that the Village Manager just told him that the contractor has called and the slabs are en route for the Tequesta. Bridge and they will be set up this weekend. The bridge will close Sunday night at S:OOpm and they will start Monday morning to reptace the bridge. 18 Minutes — Joint Workshop Meeting .. February 16, 2006 Page 19 '�� Commissioner Weberman sta:ted that when he was walking in he had some residents ask him if they were going to be allowed to speak today and he was not sure if they were going to do that. Mayor Humpage stated he did not have a problem with that as long as they limit their comments. (Public Comment) Mr. Don A�nato a resident of Littie Club stated .it was really great, as a club resident, to � see all these foiks together working under the direction to mitigate the tr�c. He stated there aire three concerns in Littie Club and those are tr�c, traffic, and tr�c. He stated they are divided as a community but at some paint the overall needs, and some did allude to it earlier, that for the greater good that some point it becomes mute. The hameowners do put up with a brunt of the activities, the traffic coming through and they do understand there is an increase in traffic because there are more people going tl�rough. He sta.ted there is new development going on in Tequesta, the new Publix, etc. He stated that Commissioner Weberman a�d hirnself respectfully disagree on the increase in traffic. He . felt that with the heavy activity, the near gndlock conditions on Indiantown Road, a lot of people on Island Way are going to sa.y, `let's go to tize Publix in Tequesta' and they are going to go through Little Club. The thing that he wanted to leave with them today is it is not a matter of moving the traff c here to there and that's i#; their roads are riarrow, they are as narrow as those in Tequesta, and they know better than he does that trailer trucks cannot navigate those roads and they cannot do it in Little Club. One of their residents had a trailer truck come around in the east entrance to Little Club, and it had to go around into the other lane and with the tra.ffic coming from the bridge being closed it had about 15-20 cars in each directian stopped. He commented at this point unless someone from the state or the coun#y is going to come ir; and buy up all the homes on Little Club Way and widen those roads something has to give. He knew there was a long history and he isn't as knowledgeable but not too far off on goirzg through the south side of the park. Commissioner Marcus wanted to mention that their Code Enforcement Director, Terry Verner was present and if the Vi�lage Manager wanted to ca11 them and let them know if there was any specific areas they wanted the County to look into. Council Member Genco stated that Ms. Catherine Harding, the Village's Community Development Director, was present as well. Commissioner Marcus asked Ms. Harding to let Ms. Verner know where they might have some sgecific issues. " 4) Commissioners/Council Members Comments Commissioner Weberman wanted to introduce their new County Administrator, Me. Duncan Ballantye, who is been with them for about faur months. Vice-Mayor Watkins wanted to thank everyone for coming. She knew it was hard to coordinate all these entities together and if everyone continued to work together she knew they would accomplish this. 19 Minutes — Joint Workshop Meeting February 16, 2006 Page 20 � IV. �DJOUP;NMENT The meeting was adjourned at 3:25 P.M. Gwen Carlisle Village Clerk � 20