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HomeMy WebLinkAboutDocumentation_Regular_Tab 06F_11/18/1993 , . -� � - � TOWN COUNCIL OF JUPITER VILLA�'iE COUNCIL OF TEQUESTA MARTIN COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMM: PALM BEACH COUNTY - DISTRICT 1 COlr! , DISCII88ION FORUM M S E T I N(� M I N Q T E 8 O C T O B E R 2 7, 1 9 9 3 CHAIR: Mayor Raren J. Golonka, Jupiter PURPOSE: To Present and Discuss Positions and Philosophies Centered on Multi-Jurisdictional Issues and impacts �nvolvfnq Martin County, the Municipalities of Northern Palm Beach County, and Palm Beach County OVERVIEW: Issues of Growth�, Service Delivery, Land IIse, Schools, and Transportation Are Immune to the Constraints ot Leqal Boundaries This Forum should Provide the Conduit for Information and Issue Exchanqe A. ROLL CALL and APPROVAL OF AGENDA The Town Council of Jupiter, the Village Council of Tequesta, the Martin County Board of Commissioners, and the Palm Beach County Board of County Commissioners held a Discussion Forum at the Jupiter Beach Resort Hotel, 5 North Highway A-1-A, Jupiter, Florida, on Wednesday, October 27, 1993. The meeting was called to order at 7:45 p.m. by Chairwoman Karen Golonka. In attendance were: Martin Countp Commission: Jeff Krauskopf, Commissioner Marshal Wilcox, Commissioner Janet Gettig, Commissioner Palm Beach Countp - District i: Karen Marcus, Commissioner Ju�iter Town Council: Karen Golonka, Mayor Thomas McCarthy, Vice-Mayor Barbara Henderson, Councilor Donald�Daniels, Councilor Lee Evett, Town Manager Tequesta Villaqe Council: Ron T. Mackail, Mayor Joseph N. Capretta, Councilman Elizabeth Schauer, Councilwoman Earl L. Collings, Councilman Thomas G. Bradford, Village Manager Discussion Forum Meetinq Minutea October 27, 1993 Paqe 2 B. FUTURE LAND OSE DESIGNATIONS ON VACANT LAND 1. Potential Developments and Their Impacts on Northern Palm Beach county a. Sectioa 28: Jupiter Towa Manaqer Evett gave a brief overview of Section 28: Section 28, located in Martin County and bordered by the North Fork Development, Cypress Cove, Loxahatchee River Road, the Jupiter Shores, and part of Jupiter, is essentially agricultural in use at this particular time, involving approximately 640 acres. A proposed development in Section 28 is proposed to use approximately 220 acres, and presently scheduled for 71 single family homes. This proposed development is now in the Martin County review process, has gone before the Planning & Zoning Commission of Martin County and is scheduled to go before the County Commissioners in November 1993. Section 28 originally consisted of 640 developable acres, now reduced to approximately 400 acres. Existing zoning gives a present density potential of this area of 160 homes. The Town of Jupiter has had concerns dealing with the intersection of North Fork, the subdivision, and the possibility of•�interconnecting that subdivision, therefore impacting North Fork and Island Way. The Town of Jupiter has been in discussions with the Shores subdivision which has had these concerns historically before being annexed into the community, and with the Developer. The Jupiter Town Manager stated that he believes agreement has been met now with all three parties that Jupiter has removed itself as a participant in the Martin County discussions with respect to that particular interchange. Tequesta has historically entered into discussions regarding Island Way and traffic that would come from any development in the south Martin County area, and go into Tequesta, making the issue a multi-jurisdictional one. Martin County Commissioner Jeff Rrauskopf stated that the major question regarding Section 28 has been the effect the increased density would have on surrounding neighborhoods. The Martin County Commission believes unanimously that the property could be developed as the land use was designated without creating abnormal impacts. Discussion Forwn Meetinq Minutes October 27, 1993 Paqe 3 -------------------- Jupiter Councilor Henderson asked what the Martin County proposal was for access for 160 homes in Section 28. Donald Holloman, Engineering Director of Martin County, answered that current access of the current development will access into North Fork Drive and ultimately into Jupiter through the Shores Development. The remainder of Section 28 has no proposed access. Obviously, the only available access is Island Way. Tequesta Mayor Mackail stated that it is important to address the impact the development would have on the area as a whole, including Country Club Drive in Tequesta, in order to get an overall picture. Palm Beach County Commissioner Marcus asked, since Section 28's only Martin County access for services (i.e., police, school) is through Palm Beach County, what is Martin County's plan for reconciling this need. Martin County Commissioner Krauskopf responded that the geographic nature of Section 28 is unusual, and that it would probably funnel more down into the Jupiter area, rather than shift over to the Tequesta area. Martin County Commissioner Janet Gettiq stated that Martin County has a fire station off County Line Road, and would therefore access Section 28 via County Line Road. Tequesta Villaqe Councilwoman Lis Schauer asked if Martin County had any plans of using their own roads for service to Section 28 instead of using Palm Beach County/ Jupiter/Tequesta roads. Commissioner Gettiq stated they may have to have an interconnecting extension of Island Way into Section 28, but confessed it does present a problem. Tequesta Councilman Joseph Capretta stated that there are solutions if one is practical and forgets the political boundaries (i.e., regional fire departments, etc.). If one is unbiased, there are absolute solutions with much better services at much lower costs. Jupiter Councilor Daniels stated that residents of Section 28 are definitely going to need services, and if there is no solution to the political boundaries, there will probably have to be created some interlocal agreements. FEB-09-'00 THU 19:17 ID: TEL N0: #129 P01 aioousaiaa Boxum x��tiaq fLiaut�s Ootob�r S7, 1993 Paqa � Cpp�p��,ma Colliaqa pointed out that residents in Tur�le Creek Devalopment, which is loaated in Martin County, are very oanc�rn�d abou� the ava.��ability af fira and ambulance service to their �omu�unity. Hecause o� that concern, those rasidents have requamted of the Martin County Commi$sion tt�at thay be allawed to contract !or ambulan�e �ervi�e� with the campany through which Tequ���� S.s merved, �ince thm Turtle Cr��k i� in cia�� geoqraphic location to Tequc�ata. Their requsgt was denied.. Mr. Collings sugqested a way be �ound to arra�nge f+�r that �ontrac�.ed service ta Tur�le Crec�ek. Ther� was no coauaent from Martin County Commissioners. Z. West Jupiter Interahanqa Btudp: Marty Hodqkins explained that the area of s�udy (approximately 5,000 --6,000 aC�es) Prom xndiantown Raad and �.nvo�.v�.nq the two expres�way systems was a conceptual study for the purposes of: 1) lonq ranqe planninq; 2) look at the area in s comprehensive fashion; 3) to protect the I�oxahntchee Rfvtr corr3dor; 4) pro�ec�ion of exi�ting neighborhoods; g) establish an overall land uga pattern for the �►re�a; and 6) studying the potential for aome e�or�k o� regional employment base. The study had three pn��: 1) Fu�ure Land UBe; 2) Market Analysis; and 3) Trangportation. a. Potsatial IIsess It was di6covered that there re�lly was no lonq-term, or medium-tcrm demand th�t could be identified to estab�.ish any �ort of rea6on for a regional commercial ba5e that Would b� able to serve the �..mmediate aree�. The g�kudy � disalose �hat thern is a strong, and f�irly long�term predictable demand for resident housing. There were a�,go same retail/medical o��ic� dswelopment uaes �ar prcaper�fe� we�t of the Turnpike, north and sputh �idee of Indiantown road, which are alreddy zoned for indur�trial, but nr�t y�t enntxed into Jupiter. b. �pl�mea*a��.oa Plaae: Th� Jupiter mown Courteil qave� overall appraval to the concsptuai atudy. The n�xt step will be to work w�.th the surrounding jurisflictione to coordinate plans. zt ia n�e�ts�ary for Jupiter to adopt the Comprehen�ive Pian Amendments for thia plan. Discussion Forum Meetinq Minutes October 27, 1993 Paqe 5 � -------------------- Martin County Commissioner Rrauakopf asked if this was addressed at the recent Planning Forum. Mr. Hodgkins answered it was not brought up at the Planning Forum, stating further that this area is a unique intersection deserving of special treatment. Jupiter Mayor Golonka stated that this conceptual mix of uses fits in with some of the concepts�of the Planning Forum from a market perspective, since there was such a demand for housing. Tequesta Mayor Mackail asked if an economic feasibility study was done for this area. Mr. Hodqkins responded that.the original emphasis of the study was to show that, as a regional center, it would have employment and tax benefits to the Town of Jupiter. What was discovered through the market analysis was there really was no single, firm potential source that would provide that. Mayor Mackafl also pointed out that another important factor to consider with discussing growth of a community is the educational factor, which in Palm Beach County, is presently suffering. Palm Beach County Commissioner Raren Marcus urged Jupiter not to rule out a Park of Commerce in their planned development, since a similar � park developed in Boca Raton (Arvida Park of Commerce) has proven to be successful in bringing quality jobs to the Boca area. C. TRANSPORTATION Mayor Raren Golonka stated that the theme that ties these roads together is how the jurisdictions involved will work together, how the roadways will affect local citizens, and hoped that this evening's coming together would be the beginning of solving these road problems. 1. ��The Connector Road��: - Country Club Drive - Tequesta Drive. Martin County Commissioner Rrauskopf stated that at its recent Commission Meeting, Martin County eliminated the Connector Road from their thoroughfare plans since the Commission felt it would serve no useful purpose in adding any capacity for that area, since other roads were already sufficiently serving the area. Discussion Forum Meetinq Minutes October 27, 1993 Paqe 6 -------------------- Tequesta Councilman Capretta pointed out that, though the Regional Planning Council suggested that Martin County talk to their neighbors (specifically Tequesta) about the action Martin County was taking concerning the Connector Road, that was in fact not done. He further pointed out that the Connector Road should not be considered as a single item, but as an item inclusive of Country Club Drive, Tequesta Drive, and the Connector Road as one issue. Mr. Capretta stated that for 25 years, Country Club Drive (leading to Tequesta Drive) has been the only north/south urban collector road in that area to be used for all the south Martin County residents. Martin County, in those 25 years, has continued to build in that area, one development after another, with no way out except down Country Club Drive and Tequesta Drive. Now Martin County has plans of expanding the Island Way Bridge which will feed additional traffic to that area. Fifty-two percent (and within a few years projected to be 62�) of the traffic presently traveling Country Club Drive is from Martin County. Not only do Martin County residents get to use Tequesta roads, but the construction trucks heading to the new development areas in Martin County are coming through Tequesta, crossing the Tequesta Drive Bridge, and continuing the deterioration of Tequesta infrastructure. Country Club Drive now has 21 major swales because of the heavy traffic it carries. Tequesta collects $15,000 in gasoline tax for Country Club and Tequesta Drive, spending in the last two years $1.6 million on upkeep of those two roads. Tequesta has spent approximately $1 million, Palm Beach County has spent approximately $600,000, and Martin County has spent $0.00 on roadway repair for Tequesta. Mr. Capretta felt that since Martin County collects approximately $2 million/per year in taxes from its southern developments, and hundreds of thousands in impact fees for new developments, none of that is shared with Tequesta for road building and maintenance. He asked if Martin County intended to take the responsibility for the impact their development is having on the Village of Tequesta and its roads. Therefore, Mr. Capretta stated that it's not necessarily the Connector Road which is his issue, but the sharing of road upkeep. Martin County Commissioner Rrauskopt stated he got the point succinctly, and that he understands that Tequesta feels the issue is not the roads, but the funding formula for maintenance of those roads. .. FEB-09-'00 THU 19:18 ID: TEL N0: �129 P02 •---••-• Diavu��io� �oruffi x��tiaq xinut�■ Ootob�r �7, 19l8 nago � ��--�--------------- �tartia Countp Commiaaioaer a�ttiq stated that there have been diseussions in raasnt yaara regardirig the di���ret�aae� �.n enqineera� tallies for traffic 6tudies in that area r�nd suqgested that to qet to the bottom line on this p�rtiaular iggue, perhapg a�oint study should b� done to determine what's what. Teqava�a �[syor �[dokaii stated that �he rigbt waX to do a tra�fic �tudy is to fire�t of all, �,den�ify the total qrowth in Section 28 and west of Saction 28 in order to ldentify raad problems since there will be an increased need tor road�. He felt the is�ues should ba: �) iden�ify existinq �oads and probiems; 2) �u�ure raad�, and 3) haw ta deai with tho�e ronds. T�i�s is truG planning. Thet�e apecific probl�ms wh�ch have been identified are not presently being resolved. x,osahe�tchas River Road -Lonqsho�o Houlovard �����t� W�e�a�n nliqnment�� (East o! I-95) - l�sar�y 8odgkins stated that they have looked at all o� the property whiah exiets in Martin County, Palm Heaoh County and th� undev�Ioped parcels of Martin Caunty to d�t�rmine if, in fact, there are other fdcilitiea needed to connect Indi�ntown Ro�d, etc. The only diecovery was that, if davelopment reachaa ite maximum, Loxahatchee River Road and Cauntry Club Dr�ve will be sutfiaient to handie the growth. He 6tated further that it was lelt there might be a need to widan Laxahatchee R�.ver Rt,�d ta tour lanes if an interconnection opportunity (3.e., �he w��t�rsY cc�rridvr) wA� nat suppli�d to that are�. paim B�a�h County Commissionar ldarous stated that if Mr. Hodqkin� re�sranae is the Tri-County map, there are �hown two connectiong: 1) Loxahatchee River Rc►aa; 2) Long $hore Drive; and 3) the wes�ern al�,gnmel7�. Ma. MarCUa a�tnted t1�at the County did a tra�tic study �or �ha� area, including Church Street, anc� determinad ta kaep Church Street twa lan8s and Loxahatchae River Road to two lanae with aom� thr�� lane arens, Long shoxe pr�ve - twa lane, the western division two lane into Third Street and down Gentral Boulevard. The idea wae to di�tribute traffic evenly, recognizinq tha� whatever development Jupiter does by an unidentif�.�d int�rahange wiil �mpa�ct traffia in all directions. Jupitsr CouaCilor �ena�rson stated that everythinc� she has list�ned to this eveninc� has all tra�'fic fiiter�.ng Gither dor�m Country Ciub Drive and Taquesta Drive, or �puth '�c� Loxahatchee River Road ar to Ldngmhore Drive to either Center stre�� or Roebuok all the way up to Indiantown Ra�c� +�I1 existinq in Palm Beaeh County. She pointed out that the reason Martin County feels they need no addi�ional roadwa�►B is becau�e a21 the traffic �rom Martin County fa befng dumped into Palm Beach FEB-09-'00 THU 19:19 ID: TEL N0: #129 P03 DiOausoion �vt� xs�tiaq xinu��s � ootobrr �7, 1993 �aqe � -------------------- county and �elt it was time for Martin County to pay their lair share of that usage. M�. He2ider�on st�ted triat further deve�.opment is still �lanned for The Islt�nd� of Jupiter, Islend Country E�tates 18+ t�cres near Saction 28 to t�e east which can b� d�veloped, including the res� oP Section Z8, showing that there still exie�ts the potential for a more heavy, major impact to the raadway�. Ms. H�nder�on augge�ted thdt imp�ct �eee requested o� the Developer for Section Z8 should be goinq into the co��ers o� those yrho are actually impacted by the dev�lopment, which is not Martin County. l[artia Couutp Co�qat�.ssioner oettiq responQe� to Jupite� � s r�que�t of them far impact f�es, and reminded Jupiter of the 25� surcharge they had l�avied or► 1K�rt�n Cc�u��y fvr wt�ter usage, statfng -"this kind af work�s bath waya. --a sub�tentir,l nrea of s�zv�.ce. Perhaps somethinq �.�.ke that (�ur�harge� and impact f�ets) cou�.d be addressed". Jupit�� Couaail ��nd�r�ot� stated she would nct want to sse any exieting neiqhbarhoods impacted any more than they alre�►dX are, And suggested that perhaps a joint venture with Martin County/Palm Heach County/Jup,�ter/Tequesta to make sure road systems ga the d�.rectian that would lea�t impact exi�tir�g neighbaring cammunities. She fur�he�r suggaeted that the overpass suggestion to be built along the Martin Cvunty border aad west over 2-95, bending south pa�t the Turnpiks to the we��exn partion o� zndi�ntdwn Raad wculd �a�ve a majc�r probiem. Martia Caunty Comaa����.onor c�ot�iq re�panded that �inoe r+[artin cvun�y wc�uld oniy be building a maximum� of �5� homaa in that area, why wouid they want to get invoiv�d in such an expeneive project? T�qy«ata Cp�nailqomaa 8ahau� askad Mertin eounty Cam�aiasion �rhat they thought would happen if the Town o� Jupiter� the village of TequeSta, and Palm Beach County put road blocks in pl�ce �a prohibit Mar�in Cvunty �raffia from impnct their roadways. �tartin county epmmissionor oottig answered tha� Martin County residents add a great �eai to the tax base in Pa].m Beaeh County municipa].ities, and wi.thout it, commeX��.a�. prap�rtie�s in Teques�a and �upiter wcu�d not be �a viable. she f�it r�arti.in county aon�ributas �riraugh gale� tax, ga� tiax, etc. Discussion Forum Meetinq Minutes OCtOber 27� 1993 Paqe 9 -------------------- Tequesta Councilman Collinqs suggested that it would be necessary for all staffs involved to get together to determine proper traffic count, taking into consideration what the roadways will bear and what the citizens desire. Paim Beach County Commissioner Marcus suggested Palm Beach County be included in any traffic analysis which is done, since Palm Beach County typically uses maximums. She also suggested that land use studies be done, and that Martin County�be asked to share costs regarding the roadways. Martin County Commissioner Wilcox asked that a whole package be considered, when doing a study, that would include fire/rescue as well. Martin County Commissioner Rrauskopf stated that the Martin County sub-station at River�Ridge would be adequate to serve Section 28. Jupiter Councilor Henderson agreed that that station could serve Section 28 - the question was, how would they get there. Jupiter Mayor Golonka summarized by stating that the parties would try to come to an agreement, (by sitting around the table as has been done this evening), on: 1) traffic numbers and trips; 2) financial impact regarding traffic; 3) Staff is encouraged to look at cost of road improvement to be certain there is equity on both sides; 4) a consensus from staff regarding numbers; 5) identify total areas (i.e., existing roads, future roads, cost-sharing mechanisms, infrastructure, police, fire/rescue, etc.). D. INTER AGREEMENTS i. Schools: Jupiter Councilor Henderson asked, since there are no schools in the south end of Martin County, what Martin County's plans, if any, are for educational needs for those south Martin County areas next to Jupiter which are being developed. Martin County Commissioner Gettiq responded that there are currently approximately 7000 residents in that area,with approximately 287 school children. Martin County met with the School Board of Palm Beach County to ask if the Palm Beach County School Board would consider a concept where these children are sent to Palm Beach County schools, and the School Board agreed. The residents appear to be s.atisfied with the status quo and Martin County Commission feels 287 children in the area does not justify the building of a new school by Martin County. Martin County does not expect to enter into an interlocal agreement in the future regarding this issue. This issue was not further discussed at this point. FEB-09-'00 THU 19:12 ID: TEL N0: #128 P01 - Di�oussiom 80� ��st�nq xinut�� oatober ay. 1993 paq� 10 ���r�������r��������r �. �arka aaa aeorestivt�: T�que■�a xayor �[avkaii �ta�ed that some ti.ma aqo Martiin County gtagt (Harry Kinq} approaChed Teque�ta regarding allowing Martin County to use a po�tfon of Tequesta Park acrsage in i.ts comprehensive Growth Manaqament Plan �o �riat Martin Gounty �ould mee� �ts Level of Sex'vice Standardg far Community P�rks in the southern dia�x�.at of Martin County. T�questa xespanded favorab�y and agreed �o eight acres o� allocation and ta enter �nta an Inter],oe�� Aqraem�3nt wh�xeby Marti� Caunty would pay far the a�ppliceble percentage of that pax�k and some og the expengas and oper�tion� costs of the park. To date, the cost -ariaring m�achan�.sm has �ot besn responded to by Martin County. rsayor 1Kackail a�ked if Martin County intends t� da anything ahou� this probiem. Jup�ter Commis�ioner Gettiq state� that figurea were collected regax'ding park usage, thexe has bean a lot of dialague betwesn Tequerta and Martin Cc�unty rec�ard�.ng the park, Tequesta is getting ready !or some exp�nsive capita� improvement� to the park, there has been some dig�ention about hvw many Martin Caunty chiidr�n u$e �he park, etc. Ee8ent3ally, Marti.n Coun�y feels that th�.s is a verx expsnsiva proae�� and is just not vi�bie �ar them. T�qu�rtia �ouaoilmaa C�protta questioned what wac� meant by 'viabl,e', stat�z�g that 24� ot the usaqe of Tequeata Park ig by Martin County residents- Mr. Capretta reiterated that �here ie an agreement that Mart�n Caunty would do wh�tt they had aqreed tv, and has done �othing. Tequesta Park ca�t� Tequesta $100,0OO+�year, and s�ow pians to spend approxfmate $500,000 tar improvement�, wi�h na conCxzbution whatsoever from M�rtin County. Mr. Capretta Xeminded Martin County v� 'their pina with Taquest� to not in►pose a aurcharge tax on Mart�.n County residents for � their uc�age aY the Tequesta water System. Teques�a complied � W�.th Martin County's wishes when Martin County e�gr�ed to do � s cost- shar�ng regardint� T�questa Pt�rk. M�r. Caprstt� � smphatically urged Martin County ta 1��.vo up �o that agresment. � l[arti� Countiy Commisaioner �ottig stiated she does not pzafer � to be canPront�tir and refu�e�a to be "bsaten up" on thie � issue. She stated she has A x'esponsibility to the texpoyer� �nd oould no� sign up �or a$500,000 capital imprvvemant plan and a$175,00a maintenancs budg�t. she le�t, with oniy 287 Chi.�.dran in Martin Coun�y who would use that park, it did nvt aub��ant�ate paying large �um� o� money for �he park. Couaail�►e�t� Capr�tta stated that if Teque�ta even received $50,000 for the shared upkeep �f the park, they would be thankful. commiasioner Get�tiq stated aha w�� c��en fox discussion but was not opett fox ��o pe�t3.ciPt�te. ltartia Coun�y Commission�r Wilaox rami.ndad T�qua�ta that any agreement that is entered irtto mu�t be through the whale Commi�s�on, and not just one member v� the Commi6sion. FEB-09-'00 THU 19:13 ID: TEL N0: #128 P02 � Di�ausaia� parum K���inq xinu*�� Oc►tob�r a7, 1993 paqe I1 ww ���r��������r��w�� svpit�� �tapox aoioaka Btated that it is agreed fihat the conc�rned governmentt�l partieB wil�, wark together to resolve the Perk �aeu�. Tequ�sta Kayo= �aokail stated that �ri�.s was �a good meeting and �hat the same group should txy to �►eet aqain in approx3.mately �hree montk�s (p�rhaps late January 1994 ) to set gc�ti].a and objectives. There was consansus tv meet nqe�3n a� that time• 2'he meetinq was adjouxned at 9:51 p.m• R�apectfully submitted, . /� Fran Bitt�ar� Recording Secret�arx ATTEST: i Joann M�nqan ellv V�.�laqe Clerk DATE APp'li4VED: