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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMiscellaneous_Regular_10/27/1993~,;,.. TOWN COUNCIL OF JUPITER VILLAGE COUNCIL OF TEQUESTA MARTIN COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMl"StiIONERB PALM BEACH COUNTY - DISTRICT 1 COMMISSIO'r6ER DISCUSSION FORUM M E E T I N G M I N U T E S O C T O B E R 2 7, 1 9 9 3 CHAIR: Mayor Karen J. Golonka, Jupiter PURPOSE: To Present and Discuss Positions and Philosophies Centered on Multi-Jurisdictional Issues and Impacts Involving Martin County, the Municipalities of Northern Palm Beach County, and Palm Beach County OVERVIEW: Issues of Growth, Sarvice Delivery, Land Use, Schools, and Transportation Are Immune to the Constraints of Legal Boundaries. This Forum Should Provide the Conduit for Information and Issue Exchange A. ROLL CALL and APPROVAL OF AGENDA The Town Council of Jupiter, the Village Council of Tequesta, the Martin County Board of Commissioners, and the Palm Beach County Board of County Commissioners held a f)iscussion Forum at the Jupiter Beach Resort Hotel, 5 North Highway A-1-A, Jupiter, Florida, on Weunesday, Octc~k~er 27, 1993. The meeting was called to order_ at 7:45 p.m. by Chairwoman Karen Golonka. In attendance were: Martin County Commission: Jsff Krauskopf, Commissioner Marshal Wilcox, Commissioner Janet Gettig, Commissioner Palm Beach County - District 1: Karen Marcus, Commissioner Jupiter Town cauncil: Karen Golonka, tiiayor Thomas McCartr~y, TJice-Mayor Barbara Henderson, Councilor Donald Dania:s, Councilor Lee Evett, Town Manager -, Tequesta ilillage Council: „- Ron T. Mackaii, Mayor Joseph N. Capretta, c:ounrilnan Elizabeth Schauer, Councilwoman Earl L. Collings, Councilman Thomas G. Bradfor3, Village Manager Discussion Forum ter: ,,~ Meeting Minutes October 27, 1993 Page 2 -------------------- B. FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ON VACANT LAND 1. Potential Developments and Their Impacts on Northern Palm Beach County a. section 28: Jupiter Town 24anager Evett gave a brief overview of Section 28: Section 28, located in Martin County and bordered by the North Fork Development, Cypress Cove, LoxahatcY±ee River Road, the Jupiter Shores, and part of Jupiter, is essentially agricultural in use at this particular time, involving approximately 640 acres. A proposed development in Section 28 is proposed to use approximately 220 acres, and presently scheduled for 71 single family homes. This proposed development is now in the Martin County review process, has gone before the Planning & Zoning Commission of Martin County and is scheduled to go before the County Commissioners in November 1993. Section 28 originally consisted of 640 developable acres, now reduced to approximately 400 acres. Existing zoning gives a present der_sity potential of this area of 160 homes. The Town of Jupiter has had concerns dealing with the intersection of North Fork, the subdivision, and the possibility of interconnecting that subdivision, therefore impact:.ing North F~~rk and Island Way. The Town of Jupiter has been in discussions with the Shores subdivision which has had these concerns historically before being annexed into the community, and with the Developer. The Jupiter Town Manager stated that he believes agreement has been met now with all three parties that Jupiter has removed itself. as a participant in the Martin County discussions with respect to that particular interchange. Tequesta has historically entered into discussions regarding Island Way and traffic that would some from any development in the south Martin County area, and go into Tequesta, making the issue a multi-jurisdictional one. Martin County Commissioner Jeff ICrauskopf stated that the major question regarding 5ectian 28 has been the effect the increased density would have on surrounding neighborhoods. The Martin County Commission believes unanimously that the property could be developed as the land use was designated without creating abnormal impacts. Discussion Forum Meeting Minutes `~ October 27, 1993 Page 3 -------------------- Jupiter Councilor Henderson asked what the Martin County proposal was for access for 160 homes in Section 28. Donald Holloman, Engineering Director of Martin County, answered that current access of the current development will access into North Fork Drive and ultimately into Jupiter through the Shores Development. The remainder. of Section 28 has no proposad access. Obviously, the only available access is Island Way. Tequesta Mayor Mackail stated that it is important to address the impact the development would have on the area as a whole, including Country Club Drive in Tequesta, in order to get an overall picture. Palm Beach County Commissioner Marcus asked, since Section 28's only Martin County access for services (i.e., police, school) is through Palm Beach County, what is Martin County's plan for reconciling this need. Martin County Commissioner Krauskopf responded that the geographic nature of Section 28 is unusual, and that it would probably funnel more down into the Jupiter area, rather than shit over to the Tequesta area. Martin County Commissioner Janet Gettig stated that Martin County has afire station off County Line Road, and would therefore access Section 28 'via County Line Road. Tequesta Village Counci3woman Liz Schauer asked if Martin County had any plans of using their own roads for service to Section 25 instead of using Palm Beach County/ Jupiter/Tequesta roads.. Commissioner Gettig stated they may have to have an interconnecting extension of Island Way into Section 28, but confessed it does present a problem. Teq_ruesta Councilmar. Joseph Capretta Mated that there are solutions if one iG practical and forgets the political bound~~.ies (i.e., .regional fire departments, etc.). If one is unbiased, there are absolute solutions with much better services at much lower costs. Jupiter Councilor Daniels stated that residents of Section 28 are definitely going to need services, and if there is no solution to the political boundaries, there will probably have to be created some interlocal agreements. ~,~. Discussion Forum ,, Meeting Minutes October 27, 1993 Page 4 -------------------- Councilman Collings pointed out that residents in Turtle Creek Development, which is located in Martin County, are very concerned about the availability of fire and ambulance service to their community. Because of that concern, those residents have requested of the Martin County Commission that they be allowed to contract for ambulance services with the company through which Tequesta is served, since the Turtle Creek is in close geographic location to Tequesta. Their request was denied. Mr. Collings suggested a way be found to arrange for that contracted service to Turtle Creek. There was no comment from Martin County Commissioners. 2. West Jupiter Interchange Stucly: Marty Hodgkins explained that the area of study (approximately 5,000-6,000 acres) from Indiantown Road and involving the two expressway systems was a conceptual study for the purposes of: 1) long range planning; 2) look at the area in a comprehensive fashion; 3) to protect the Loxahatchee River corridor; 4) protection of existing neighborhoods; 5) establish ar. overall land use pattern for the area; and 6) studying the potential for some sort of regional employment base. The study had three parts: 1) Future Land Use; 2) Market Analysis; and 3) Transportation. a. Potential Uses: It was discovered that there really was no long-term, or medium-term demand that could be identified to establish any sort of reason for a regional commercial base that would be able to serve the immediate area . The study did disclose that there is a strong, and fairly long-term predictable demand for resident housing. There were also some retail/medical office development uses for properties west of the Turnpike, north and south sides of Irdiartown road, which are already zoned for industrial, bat not yet annexed into Jupiter. b. Implementation Flans: The J•apiter Town Co~.zncil gave overall approval to the conceptual study. The next step will be to work with the surrounding jurisdictions to coordinate plans. It is necessary for Jupiter to adopt the Comprehensive Plan Amendments for this plan. Discussion Forum '~ Meeting Minutes October 27, 1993 Page 5 Martin County Commissioner Krauskopf asked if this was addressed at the recent Planning Forum. Mr. Hodgkins answered it was not brought up at the Planning Forum, stating further that this area is a unique intersection deserving of special treatment. Jupiter Mayor Golonka stated that this conceptual mix of uses fits in with some of the concepts of the Planning Forum from a market perspective, since there was such a demand for housing. Tequesta Mayor Mackail asked if an economic feasibility study was done for this area. Mr. Hodgkins responded that the original emphasis of the study was to show that, as a regional center, it would have employment and tax benefits to the Town of Jupiter. What was discovered through the market analysis was there really was no single, firm potential source that would provide that. Mayor Mackail also pointed out that another important factor to consider witr, discussing growth of a community is the educational factor, which in Palm Beach County, is presently suffering. Palm Beach County Commissioner Raren Marcus urged Jupiter not to rule out a Park of Commerce in their planned development, since a similar park developed in Boca Raton (Arvida Park of Commerce) has proven to be successful in bringing quality jobs to the Boca area. C. TRANSPORTATION Mayor Karen Golonka stated roads together is how the together, how the roadways hoped that this evening' beginning of solving these that the theme that ties these jurisdictions involved will work will affect local citizens, and s coming together would be the road problems. 1. "The Connector Rcad~~: Drive. - Country Club Drive - Tequesta Martin County Commissioner Krauskopf stated that at its recent Commission Meeting, Martin County eliminated the Connector Road from their thoroughfare plans since the Co~rumission felt it would serve no useful purpose in adding any capacity for that area, since other roads were already sufficiently serving the area. ate..-. 4 ~,,, Discussion Forum ,;,,~, Meeting Minutes October 27, 1993 Page 6 -------------------- Tequesta Councilman Capretta pointed out that, though the Regional Planning Council suggested that Martin County talk to their neighbors (specifically Tequesta) about the action Martin County was taking concerning the Connector Road, that was in fact not done. He further pointed out that the Connector Road should not be considered as a single item, but as an item inclusive of Country Club Drive, Tequesta Drive, and the Connector Road as one issue. Mr. Capretta stated that for 25 years, Country Club Drive (leading to Tequesta Drive) has been the only north/south urban collector road in that area to be used for all the south Martin County residents. Martin County, in those 25 years, has continued to build in that area, one development after another, with no way out except down Country Club Drive and Tequesta Drive. Now Martin County has plans of expanding the Island Way Bridge which will feed additional traffic to that area. Fifty-two percent (and within a few years projected to be 62~) of the traffic presently traveling Country Club Drive is from Martin County. Not only do Martin County residents get to use Tequesta roads, but the construction trucks heading to the new development areas in Martin County are coming through Tequesta, crossing the Tequesta Drive Bridge, and continuing the deterioration of Tequesta infrastructure. Country Club Drive now has 21 major swales because of the heavy traffic it carries. Tequesta collects $15, 000 in gasoline tax for Country Club and Tequesta Drive, spending in the last two years $1.6 million on upkeep of those two roads. Tequesta has spent approximately $1 million, Palm Beach County has spent approximately $600,000, and Martin County has spent $0.00 on roadway repair for Tequesta. Mr. Capretta felt that since Martin County collects approximately $2 million/per year in taxes from its southern developments; and hundreds of thousands in impac*. fees for new developments, none of that is shared with Tequesta for road building and :maintenance. He asked if Martin County intended to take the responsibility for the impact their development is having on the Village of Tequesta .and its roads. Therefore, Mr. Capretta stated that it's not necessarily the Connector Road which is his issue, but the sharing of road upkeep. Martin County Commissioner Rrauskopf stated he got the point succinctly, and that he understands that Tequesta feels the issue is not the roads, but the funding formula for mai,ztei~ance of those roads. • Discussion Forum Meeting Minutes October 27, 1993 Page 7 -------------------- Martin County Commissioner Gettig stated that there have been discussions in recent years regarding the differences in engineers' tallies foi" traffic s~udies in that area and suggested that to get to the bottom line on this particular issue, perhaps a joint study should be done to determine what's what. Tequesta Mayor Mackail stated that the right way to do a traffic study is to first of all, identify the total growth in Section 28 and west of Section 28 in order to identify road problems since there will be an increased need for roads. He felt the issues should be: 1) identify existing roads and problems; 2) future roads; and 3) how to deal with those roads. This is true planning. These specific problems which have been identified are not presently being resolved. Loxahatchee River Road -Longshore Boulevard - "The Western Alignment" (East of I-95) - Marty Hodgkins stated that they have looked at all of the property which exists in Martin County, Palm Beach County and the undeveloped parcels of Martin County to determine if, in fact, there are other facilities needed to connect Indiantown Road, etc. The only discovery was that, if development .reaches its maximum, Loxahatchee River Road and Country Club Drive will be sufficient to handle the growth. He stated further that it was felt there might be a need to widen Loxahatchee River Road to four lanes if an interconnection opportunity (i.e., the western corridor) was not supplied to that area. Palm Beach County Commissioner Marcus stated that if Mr. Hodgkins reference is the Tri-County map, there are shown two connections: 1) Loxahatchee River Road; 2) Long Shore Drive; and 3) the western alignment. Ms. Marcus stated that the County did a traffic study for that area, including Church Street, and determined to keep Church Street two lanes and Loxahatchee River Road to two lanes with some three lane areas, Long Shore Drive - two lane, tY~e western division two lane into Third Street and down Central Boulevard. The idea was to distribute traffic evenly, recognizing that whatever development Jupiter does by an unidentified interchange will impact traffic in all directions. Jupiter Councilor Henderson stated that everything she has listened to this evening has alI traffic filtering either down Country Club Drive and Tequesta Drive, or south to Loxahatchee River Road or to Longshore Drive to either Center Street or Roebuck all the way up to Indiantown Road, all existing in Palm Beach County. She pointed out that the reason Martin County feels they need no additional roadways is because all the traffic from Martin County is being dumped into Palm Beach ,~~~ . Discussion Forum ',~,, Meeting Minutes October 27, 1993 Page 8 -------------------- County and felt it was time for Martin County to pay their fair share of that usage. Ms. Henderson stated that further development is still planned for The Islands of Jupiter, Island Country Estates, 18+ acres near Section 28 to the east which can be developed, including the rest of Section 28, showing that there still exists the potential for a more heavy, major impact to the roadways. Ms. Henderson suggested that impact fees requested of the Developer for Section 28 should be going into the coffers of those who are actually impacted by the development, which is not Martin County. Martin County Commissioner Gettig responded to Jupiter's request of them for impact fees, and reminded Jupiter of the 25~ surcharge they had levied on Martin County for water usage, stating - "this kind of works both ways. --a substantial area of service. Perhaps something like that (surcharges and impact fees) could be addressed". Jupiter Council Henderson stated she would not want to see any existing neighborhoods impacted any more than they already are, and suggested that perhaps a joint venture with Martin County/Palm Beach CauntyjJupiter/Tequesta to make sure road systems go the direction that would least impact existing neighboring communities. She further suggested that the overpass suggestion to be built along the Martin County border and west over I-95, bending south past the Turnpike to the western portion of Indiantown Road would solve a major problem. Martin CoLrity Commi.ssionar Gettig responded that since Martin County would only be building a maximum of 151 homes in that area, why would they want to get involved in such an expensive project? Tequesta Councilwoman Schauer asked Martin County Commission what they thought would happen if the Town of Jupiter, the Village of Tequesta, and Palm Beach County put road blocks in place to prohibit Martin County i.raffic from impact their roadways. Martin County Commissioner Gettig answered that Martin County reside,~ts add a great deal to the tax base in Palm Beach County municipalities, and without it, commercial properties in Tequesta and Jupiter would not be as viable. She felt Martin County contributes through sales tax, gas tax, etc. ~,. Discussion Forum Meeting Minutes October 27, 1993 Page 9 -------------------- Tequesta Councilman Collings suggested that it would be necessary for all staffs involved to get together to determine proper traffic count, taking into consideration what the roadways will bear «nd what the citizens desire. Palm Beach County Commissioner Marcus suggested Palm Beach County be included in any traffic analysis which is done, since Palm Beach County typically uses maximums. She also suggested that land use studies be done, and that Martin County be asked to share costs regarding the roadways. Martin County Commissioner Wilcox asked that a whole package be considered, when doing a study, that would include fire/rescue as well. Martin County Commissioner Krauskopf stated that the Martin County sub-station at River Ridge would be adequate to serve Section 28. Jupiter Councilor Henderson agreed that that station could serve Section 28 - the question was, how would they get there. Jupiter Mayor Golonka summarized by stating that the parties would try to come to an agreement, (by sitting around the table as has been done this evening), on: 1) traffic numbers and trips; 2) financial impact regarding traffic; 3) Staff is encouraged to look at cost of road improvement to be certain there is equity on both sides; 4) a consensus from staff regarding numbers; 5) identify total areas (i.e., existing roads, future roads, cost-sharing mechanisms, infrastructure, police, fire/rescue, etc.). D. INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS 1. Schools: Jupiter ~ouncilor Henderson asked, since there are no schools in the south end of Martin County, what Martin County's plans,- if any, are for educational needs for those south Martin County areas next to Jupiter which are being developed. Martin County Commissione+ Gettig responded that there are currently approximately 7000 residents in that area with approximately 287 school children. Martin County met with the School Board of Pa?m Beach County to ask if the Palm Beach County School Board wound consider a concept where these children are sent to Palm Beach County schools, and the School Board agreed. The residents appear to be satisfied with the status quu and Martin County Commission feels 287 children in the area does not j~:stify the building of a new school by Martin County. Martin County does not expect to enter into an interlocal agreement in the future regarding this issue. This issue was not farther discussed at this point. Discussion Forum Meeting Minutes ...~, October 27, 1993 Page 10 -------------------- 2. Parks and Recreation: Tequesta Mayor Mackail stated that some time ago Martin County staff (Harry King) approached Tequesta regarding allowing Martin County to use a portion of Tequesta Park acreage in its Cornpre:~ensive Growth Management Plan so that Martin County could meet its Level of Service Standards for Commsnity Parks in the southern district of Martin County. Tequesta responded favorably and agreed to eight acres of allocation and to e:~ter into an Interlocal Agreement whereby :Martin County would pay for the applicable percentage of that park and some of the expenses and operations costs of the park. To date, the cost-sharing mechanism has not been responded to by Martin County. Mayor Mackail asked if Martin County intends to do anything about this problem. Jupiter Commissioner Gettig stated that figures were collected regarding park usage, there has been a lot of dialogue between Tequesta and Martin County regarding the park, Tequesta is getting read~• for some expensive capital improvements to tree park, there has been some dissention about how many Martin County children use the park, etc. Essentially, Martin County feels that this is a very expensive process and is just not viable for them. Tequesta Councilman '"~°' Capretta questioned what was meant by 'viable', stating that 24% of the usage of Tequesta Park is by Martin County residents. Mr. Capretta reiterated that there is an agreement that Martin County would do what they had agreed to, and has done nothing. Tequesta Park costs Tequesta $100,000+/year, ar_d now plans to spend approximate $500,000 for improvements, with no contribution wYiatsoever from Martin County.. Mr. Capretta reminded Martin County of their plea with Tequesta to not impose a surcharge tax on Martin County residents for their usage of the Tequesta [dater System. Tequesta complied with Martin County's wishes when Martin County agreed to do a cost-sharing regar3ir~g Tequesta Park. Mr. Capretta emphatically urged Martin County to live up to that agreement. Martin County Commissioner Gettig stated she does not prefer to be confrontational and refuses to be "beaten up" on this issue. She stated she has a responsib~.lity to the taxpayers and could not sign up for a $500,000 capital improvement plan and a $175;000 n~aintar~ance budget. She felt, with only 287 children in Martin county who caould use that park, it did not substantiate paying large sums of money for the park. Councilman Capretta stated that i~ Tequesta even received $50,000 for the shared upkeep of ~r~e gark, they would be thankful. Commissioner Gettig stated she was open for discussion but was not open for demands to participate. . Martin County Commissioner Wilcox reminded Tequesta that dry •~.,, agreement that is entered into must be through the whole Commission, and not just one member of the Commission. ,~,,,,W Discussion Forum ,,~,~ Meeting Minutes October 27, 1993 Page 11 -------------------- Jupiter Mayor Golonka stated that it is agreed that the concerned governmental parties will work together to resolve the Park issue. Tequesta Mayor Mackail state3 that this was a good meeting and that the same group should try to meet again in approximately three months (perhaps late January 1994) to set goals and objectives. There was consensss to meet again at that time. The meeting was adjourned at 9:51 p.m. Respectfully submitted, ~~ Fran Bitters Recording Secretary ATTEST: ~_ . J ann Mangani to Village Clerk D E APPROVED: i~",~ i 9 93 __ ..,:.