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HomeMy WebLinkAboutDocumentation_Special Meeting_Tab 06_12/08/2005Minutes -Planning and Zoning Advisory Board Meeting 10/06/2005 Page 1 • MINUTES VILLAGE OF TEQUESTA PLANNING AND ZONING ADVISORY MEETING OCTOBER 6, 2005 I. Call to Order and Roll Call The Village of Tequesta Planning and Zoning Advisory Boazd held a regularly scheduled meeting at the Tequesta Recreation Center, 399 Seabrook Road, Tequesta, Florida on Thursday, October 6, 2005. Chair Schauer called the meeting to order at 6:31 P.M. A roll call was taken by Gwen Cazlisle, Village Clerk. Boazd Members present were: Chair Elizabeth Schauer, Vice Chair Steve Okun, Boazd Member William Wilder, and Alternate Boazd Member Russell von Frank. Absent were Board Member Challes Reinwald, and Alternate Boazd Member Carl Blase. Boazd Member Leslie Cook arrived at 6:33 P.M. Also present was Mr. Jack Horniman, Village Planning Consultant. Chair Schauer welcomed new Alternate Boazd Member Russell von Frank, and noted new Board Member Charles Reinwald was not present. II. Approval of the Agenda Board Member von Frank indicated he had a presentation to make to the Boazd this evening. Chair Schauer indicated the Board would hear that under Any Other Matters. Board Member von Frank agreed. MOTION: Vice Chair Okun moved to approve the agenda as amended to include a presentation by Board Member von Frank under Any Other Matters; seconded Board Member von Frank; motion passed 4-0. III. Approval of Minutes a) August 4, 2005 Meeting Minutes MOTION: Board Member von Frank moved to approve the August 4, 2005 meeting minutes; seconded by Board Member Wilder; motion passed 4-0. Board Member Cook arrived at 6.•33 P. M. IV. New Business a) Welcome of new P&Z Advisory Board Members • Mr. Charles Reinwald (Beach Road) -Regular Resident Member .7 Minutes -Planning and Zoning Advisory Board Meeting 10/06/2005 Page 2 • Chair Schauer indicated the Board would like to welcome Board Member Reinwald who apparently had not arrived yet, noting that he was replacing Boazd Member Jeff Robbins. • Mr. Russell von Frank (Dover Road) - 2"d Alternate Member Chair Schauer welcomed 2"d Alternate Member Russell von Frank. She indicated he would be sitting in as the member since Board Member Reinwald was not present. b) The Crossings -Fence Review Chair Schauer introduced Mr. Jack Horniman to the Planning and Zoning Advisory Boazd. Mr. Jack Horniman, President of JLH Associates, and Village Planning Consultant noted he has worked as the Village's Planning Consultant since the 1970's. He indicated everyone was aware the Director of Community Development and the Village Planner has moved on, so the Village has asked him to step in to help process some of this work. He mentioned he had spoke with Mr. Mike Couzzo, Village Manager who asked that he pass along some information regarding that they are actively pursuing reviewing applicants for the Director's position, and hope to fill that position soon and have that person on board by November 1St • Chair Schauer asked Mr. Horniman to proceed with the fence review for The Crossings. He noted he has come into this process in the middle, and his understanding is that The Crossings site plan has been approved by Council, subject to the condition of having this perimeter fence brought back to the P&Z Board for their review and approval. He introduced Mr. Troy Holloway, Gentile, Holloway, O'Mahoney and Associates, Inc., and representing the applicant. Mr. Holloway noted the applicant was before the Planning and Zoning Board approximately six months ago for the site plan approval. He noted at that point the applicant was discussing the possibility of doing a fence and columns azound the property. He indicated the P&Z Board requested if the applicant-was to add the fence that they would have to bring the details back for review. Chair Schauer apologized to Mr. Holloway because she told him there was fencing around the Lighthouse Cove development, but noted that fencing has been taken down. Mr. Holloway commented the developer felt the fence and the columns would make the project look better, similar to what they did with Lighthouse Cove columns, to give it a more sense of security, even though there is no fence. He commented the columns will be about 6 foot 3 inches tall, and the fence is about 4 or 5 inches shorter than the columns. The fence will be aluminum picket, verity green, and it goes around the entire perimeter of the property, and goes up to the entrances of the property. He noted the plan shows the column spacing, noting there will be • landscaping on the inside and outside of the fence, and the columns will be stucco and painted similar colors to match the buildings. Minutes -Planning and Zoning Advisory Boazd Meeting 10/06/2005 Page 3 • Board Member Cook asked whether the landscaping would look like the plan. Mr. Holloway stated no, not at the time of installation. He noted the cabbage palms would fill out in two yeazs, and the trees in about 3 to 5 years. Chair Schauer mentioned she noticed on the plan something that she did not notice on the original site plan. She commented if you look in the center, right underneath the Clubhouse they have a 6 foot by 10 foot patio, and then there is a 10 foot privacy wall. She questioned whether that was on the original site plan. She mentioned the Boazd handed back their original plans so she did not have anything to compaze with. Mr. Holloway indicated that was on the original plan. She thanked Mr. Holloway for coming back so quickly with the fence. Boazd Member Wilder felt the fence looked very nice, and noted the applicant did exactly what the Boazd asked them to do, to come up with a good looking fence, and they did. MOTION: Board Member Cook moved to accept the plan as submitted; seconded by Vice Chair Okun. Board Member von Frank asked about the point Chair Schauer made regarding a fence at the previous location that they now had removed. He asked if it was part of the original site plan approval. Chair Schauer noted Lighthouse Cove is across the street from The Crossings. Boazd Member Cook asked if that was in the Village. Chair Schauer commented it was part the Village. She indicated she walked the perimeter and the fence was gone; she went into the office and asked, • and the woman said she remembered people talking about that, because at that point it was a rental community, and now they are units that are for sale. She indicated they just have the hedge with columns, and they removed the fence for some reason. Board Member von Frank asked if that was a provision when the Board made their recommendation to the Council. Boazd Member Cook asked if it was on the original plan. Chair Schauer indicated it was not on the original plan and that it was done afterwards. She indicated she told Mr. Holloway to look at the fencing as an example, but the fence is now gone. Motion passed S-0. Board Member Cook mentioned she missed the approval of the Minutes at beginning of the meeting. She indicated she wanted to make one correction to Page 3. She asked to correct the name "Parker United to Parker - Yennette. Consensus of the Board agreed to the change. b) Proposed Special Exception Use for "Members Only" Club (3`d Floor, l Main Street) - JMZ Tequesta Properties, Inc. Mr. Jack Horniman, President, JLH Associates, and Village Planning Consultant mentioned there was an application by JMZ Tequesta Properties Inc. to put a "Members Only" Club in on the 3`d Floor of 1 Main Street building, in downtown. • Minutes -Planning and Zoning Advisory Board Meeting 10/06/2005 Page 4 • He indicated this building was located within the Mixed Use District of the Village. He noted a private club is an allowable Special Exception use within the Mixed Use district, but that they are subject to review by the Planning and Zoning Advisory Board to make a recommendation to Council. He mentioned Mr. Craig O'Callahan was present to review the proposal. Mr. Horniman explained the notices were sent to the property owners within 300 feet of the project. Mr. Craig O'Callahan representing the applicant Mr. Zuccarrelli explained it was a 2,000 square foot space on the 3`d floor, a very small space for a lounge with tables and chairs. He indicated it would be a classy establishment, and that they would look to cater to nice people who can enjoy a nice place to gather. Chair Schauer asked the applicant to be more specific in what is meant by a private "Members Only Club". She noted the original site plan was approved to be an apartment. Mr. O'Callahan stated the original site plan had a private elevator, and a kitchen. Board Member Cook asked if they would be serving food. Chair Schauer asked if they would be alcohol. Board Member Cook felt it would basically be similar to a restaurant, and that it is ok with her. Mr. Honniman asked the applicant if this was going to be an adult entertainment club. He stated he wanted assurances that there would be no nude dancing or gambling. Mr. O'Callahan stated they had no intent of that; that it would be small in size, comfortable, with couches and chairs and food and drink. He stated there would • be no gambling, and no adult entertainment. Board Member von Frank asked what the fees would be charged for the private membership. Mr. O'Callahan stated the fees have not been established at this time. Board Member Cook noted this type of club seems to be a trend, that it is the hot thing now to have a private club. She asked if Mr. O'Callahan was from the New York area. Mr. O'Callahan noted he was originally form upper New York, and grew up in construction. He noted his mother and grandmother have lived in Florida for many years. He indicated he had a company for the past 15 years in the United Kingdom. He stated this would be a place to go and relax, and not have someone come in off the street. He felt the club would be a place to have the respected members of the community gather. He pointed out Mr. Zuccarrelli is a class act, and Mr. Zuccarrelli, Senior is a great man. He felt this would fit in well there. Chair Schauer asked the sitting capacity. Mr. O'Callahan noted there would be 50 members and staff. Board Member von Frank asked if the space would be enclosed. Chair Schauer noted the original site plan was with businesses down stairs, and an apartment upstairs. Board Member Wilder indicated it was like a penthouse. Mr. O'Callahan noted that was the original intent, and now it has been changed. Vice Chair Okun felt there was no problem, and as long as he met the code, and the issue with public safety, so that all the areas of the Village would be • covered in case of an emergency on New Year's Eve. Board Member Wilder asked if it would be similar to the one across the street. Minutes -Planning and Zoning Advisory Board Meeting 10/06/2005 Page 5 • Mr. O'Callahan asked if he was referring to Bradley's. Chair Schauer noted where Mr. Zuccarrelli's current building is there is not a name on the building. Mr. O'Callahan stated it would be a lounge similar to the back area of McCarthy's Restaurant. (Public comment) Ms. Betty Nagy, resident of Shay Place questioned the hours of operation. Mr. Hontuman noted there could be limits placed on the hours of operation. Chair Schauer commented this whole town basically shuts down before midnight, and if you want food or alcohol you have to go elsewhere. Vice Chair Okun stated there are not any restrictions. Chair Schauer mentioned there is not anyone there in the evenings right now, that Tequesta Urgent Care closes at 7:00 PM. Board Member Cook commented the florist is closed. Chair Schauer agreed, and noted the applicant really did not have to worry about neighbors at that hour of the evening. Vice Chair Okun stated he did not see where there would be an impact on any of the surrounding areas. Chair Schauer felt it would not be much of an impact on McCarthy's. She noted it would not be that much of an impact on parking, because they have mutual aid parking with the bank and CVS. Board Member Cook felt there was plenty of parking. • MOTION: Vice Chair Okun moved to approve the Special Exception Use for a "Members Only" Club; seconded by Board Member Wilder; motion passed 5=0. V. Comments from Citizens Chair Schauer mentioned there were quite a few people attending the meeting, and if they were present for the pickup trucks and boat ordinance it was not on the agenda. She mentioned according to the previous meeting minutes the Board was not going to discuss the ordinance until November when Ms. Rogers of the Tequesta Country Club and the Director of Community Development had a response to the survey in regard to the boat ordinance. She commented she did speak with Assistant Village Manager Bob Garlo and he stated they are now reviewing it, and changing things due to the high impact of emails and correspondence the Village had received in regard to the boat ordinance. She indicated whether or not it comes back to the Board next month, she did not know. She asked them to call the Village and ask the Village Clerk. Vice Chair Okun mentioned it was obvious that the people had taken the time to come out to this meeting; he asked if the Board wanted to consider listening to the public, and get an idea of their feelings. Chair Schauer agreed, and noted Assistant Manager Garlo indicated the ordinance on second review would be totally different, that they have redone the entire ordinance. She noted Mr. Garlo also told her the Village had received so many emails, letters, etc. She noted she had only heard from three people within the Country Club. • Minutes -Planning and Zoning Advisory Board Meeting 10/06/2005 Page 6 • Vice Chair Okun asked if it was possible to get input this evenin .Chair S felt it might help the Village. Vice Chair Okun felt it was important to listen toathe public. Ms. Betty Nagy, resident of Shay Place noted at the Planning and Zoning Board Meeting in July or August the Boazd was going to get in touch with ail the presidents of the Homeowners Associations (HOA's); she questioned what about the people that do not belong to HOA's. Chair Schauer indicated the meeting was in July. She mentioned the Community Development Department was suppose to notify all of the HOA's in regards to the pickup trucks. She stated in July the Boazd told Staff not to bring the ordinance back to the Board unless everyone in the community was notified. Vice Chair Okun noted also at the same time the Boazd directed Staff that a significant portion of the newsletter be dedicated to issue, so that everyone in the Village had the opportunity, not just HOA's. Ms. Nagy stressed there are a lot of people who do not belong to HOA's, and since they pay taxes should have a right to input. Chair Schauer mentioned where Ms. Nagy lives basically is not going to be impacted. She indicated Ms. Nagy or herself does not live in the District that the Village is concerned about as faz as the pickup trucks, and that it is east of the railroad tracks. Vice Chair Okun stated in fairness if you are a resident of the Village you have • the same right, and same power to give input. He indicated he make that point clear that everyone in the Village was to be notified. Chair Schauer stated that is why the Board asked that the information be put into Smoke Signals so everyone has the right to review it. Vice Chair Okun suggested if the Village puts the information in the Smoke Signals, that hopefully they give the residents some bullet points, so that it is in a readable form, so the message gets out cleaz and concise. Ms. Nagy mentioned anyone could go down any of the streets and see pickup trucks; she noted she was not against them. Chair Schauer reiterated it is only in the area east, and that it affected the pickup trucks in Tequesta Oaks, Tequesta Terrace, Lighthouse Cove, and The Crossings. Chair Schauer noted a survey was done in the Country Club regazding the boats, and that the residents will have to look at their zoning district regarding boats. She mentioned she asked Mr. Newell in regazd to the pickup trucks, and the hedges at the July 7`h meeting, and she asked him if he had heazd from Ms. Rogers at that time. She indicated the pickup trucks were reviewed because of a problem the police department had, and that azea was east of the railroad tracks. Vice Chair Okun felt it was amixed-use district. Ms Nagy asked if anyone west of the railroad tracks could still have pickup trucks. Chair Schauer responded in the affirmative. She stated no pickup trucks were allowed in Tequesta Pines. Vice Chair Okun indicated someone can have a pickup truck, as long as it is in a garage. Chair Schauer agreed. • Minutes -Planning and Zoning Advisory Board Meeting 10/06/2005 Page 7 • Chair Schauer asked Village Clerk Carlisle to give these resident comments to Board Attorney Roselli, or whoever should get them regarding the boat ordinance. Mr. Tom Urich, resident of Golfview Drive, Tequesta Country Club noted he and Mr. Jeff Leslie, who was not present this evening, started a grass roots group of people to discuss, or bring up changes to the ordinance regarding boats stored next to your house and the screening. He mentioned they contacted about 40 boaters within the neighborhood, and that they had a meeting on September 27~' regarding the issue. He read for the record the summary of the meeting. Chair Schauer asked Mr. Urich to leave a copy of the information for the record with the Clerk. He noted there were a significant number of Tequesta Country Club residents that feel the ordinance as proposed was overly restrictive, and it does not fairly convey the desires of the Tequesta Country Club community in regards to storage of residential boats by houses. He indicated those in attendance were in agreement that boats have a significant positive impact on residents of Tequesta Country Club, both financially through increased property values, and upon a quality of life standpoint. He noted some of the specific issues identified were as follows: the right to park a boat beside ones house was a major reason many if not all the present Tequesta Country Club boaters decided to relocate to Tequesta Country Club; many paid a premium price for their house to live in this alleged boater friendly community; everyone in attendance indicated they agreed the right to park a boat beside ones house makes the community unique, and that it significantly contributes to the values of everyone house. He commented local • realtors, almost without exception, support this claim that they promote the boating nature of the community; with a community boat ramp, river access, etc. He noted preliminary estimates, estimate that based on the present storage rates and values, the value could exceed $100,000 over time, example ten years, $500 a month storage, is a very significant number. He read most of the Tequesta Country Club boaters have incurred significant expenditures to properly accommodate their boats beside their houses in a way that is considerate and tasteful to their neighbors. He commented Tequesta Country Club has always represented itself as a boating and golfing community, and it only makes sense that boats would be somewhat visible. He indicated none of those attending the meetings are advocating abandonment of the restrictions; the six foot fences and hedges, etc. He indicated they felt that restrictions could be drafted to allow boaters to maintain their boats beside their houses that add to the special nature of the community. He commented the fact that there are many young families, children in the community, and the numerous inherent benefits to the boaters, and non-boaters alike. He noted many boaters were concerned about the prohibitive cost that would be incurred for boat storage if the ordinance should be approved. He noted the attendees felt they could present an alternative recommendation that would be considerate and beneficial to all, and easy to monitor by code enforcement, and would recognize the current design of boats, and the needs of families, and would • provide a quality guideline to ensure the private community is maintained. Minutes -Planning and Zoning Advisory Board Meeting 10/06/2005 Page 8 • Mr. Urich mentioned they are in the process of collecting signatures, and feel that they will have over 400 signatures supporting their cause. Chair Schauer suggested the Assistant Manager also receive a copy of the letter, because he has been working with the Planning and Zoning Attorney. She indicated she did not know who came up with the idea of the boat ordinance, but the Board has tabled it until Ms. Rogers could get the survey out in the community. She asked the Village Clerk to give Mr. Urich's comments to the Assistant Manager. Mr. Urich stated the way it was presented in the newsletter was not so good. Chair Schauer stated that was not the way they asked for it to be done. Mr. Urich indicated at their last meeting there was approximately 20 responses, and it was a 50/50 mix. He felt it was not easy trying to understand which way people were coming from. Chair Schauer stated she talked with Assistant Manager Gazlo about two weeks ago, and he mentioned the Village had received many emails, well over 40, and that was why they were basically reviewing it. She indicated for Mr. Urich to get with her and leave his phone number and when the boat ordinance comes before the Board or Council she could notify him and he could get his people out. Board Member Cook asked if the group had any problem with the current ordinance as it reads now. Mr. Urich noted no one was trying to kick the boat out at this time, and the requirements were that it needed to be screened on three sides, and a six foot fence. He felt the proposed ordinance was poorly written. Board Member Cook felt the Village must have pulled it off some other code, • because she felt it did not really pertain to the Village. She noted she was against the language in it that said no higher than 8 feet, because that was ridiculous. She suggested maybe take the roof line; no higher than the roof line. She stated 8 feet is nothing. Mr. Urich noted the problem with his boat is the T-top that sticks above the 8 feet. Boazd Member Cook asked if it would stick above his roof line. Mr. Urich stated it would not stick above the top of his roof. Vice Chair Okun asked if the group also reflected what the HOA's position would be. Mr. Urich noted that is what he is trying to find out. He indicated he lives across the street from Ms. Lori Rogers, Tequesta Country Club President, and she has signed the petition. Vice Chair Okun pointed out it is going to affect and have an impact on his community; he felt the group could shape how this ordinance goes forward. Mr. Urich indicated that is what the group is trying to do. Vice Chair Okun mentioned the reason the Board postponed this item was because they wanted more public input, and that all the residents were not in Florida for the winter. He felt the Board wanted everyone to have an opportunity to hear about it. He felt if one of the issues was diminished property values that the group needed to articulate that in their presentation. He noted that is going to have an impact on the Village, and also have an impact on the surrounding azea. Mr. Urich mentioned the ordinance was also addressing pickup trucks. He noted he did not have anything against pickup trucks, but the Village is selling themselves as a boating community, with boat ramps, and water access. • Minutes -Planning and Zoning Advisory Board Meeting 10/06/2005 Page 9 • Mr. Urich indicated the group would not want a 38 foot Bertram parked on the side of a house, but noted that is not a trailer able boat. He commented he has a 25 foot boat, and that he could meet the proposed ordinance if he dug a 3 feet hole at the side of his side. He felt that was silly. Boazd Member Von Frank pointed out he wanted to make sure the Board was talking about the whole Village, not just a portion of the Village. He indicated that was very important. He noted some residents do not belong to a HOA. He wanted to make sure the Board and everyone was talking about the entire Village. Chair Schauer agreed but indicated the proposed ordinance was basically pinpointing the Tequesta Country Club area. Boazd Member Von Frank noted in Holland and Italy they have little bridges, and the boats navigate under the bridges, because the boats collapse the top structure. He asked why is it not possible that a person who owns a boat, whatever the size have a collapsible structure. Boazd Member Cook noted it probably would not be feasible because the structures aze welded on, and you can not collapse it, and it would be very expensive to do that to the boat. Mr. John Burton, resident of River Drive indicated he added additional driveway space, and his neighbors have also added driveway space. He mentioned he has a 19 foot Pro line, not that big of a boat, and as the ordinance is proposed he is in • violation. He commented his console sits up more than six foot above the fence when it sits on the trailer. He asked that the restrictions be reasonable. He noted according to law they are m the legal trailer able heights of 13 % feet. Vice Chau Okun added it is important that boats articulate what they need. He felt if it is left up to people who do not own boats, the boaters will be left with something that is going to be less than adequate, and terrible to enforce. Mr. Burton noted he does not live on the river side so he has to trailer his boat. He commented he and his neighbors have put in thousands of dollars to improve their properties so that they can keep their boats in their yards. He felt the Village needed some restrictions, but not so restrictive. Mr. Urich asked what was the process, and where does it go from here. Chair Schauer mentioned the comments from this evening would be forwarded to Council and Attorney Roselli so that the comments could be incorporated into the document. She noted the ordinance will come back to Planning and Zoning Board, and since the Village does not have a Community Development Director at this time, she commented she could not promise it will be on the November meeting. She mentioned as soon as she is notified she will let everyone know, and call Mr. Urich. Vice Chair Okun noted the P&Z Boazd is an advisory board, and they make their recommendations to Council. Mr. Urich asked how the group could get involved in dialog with Council. Chair Schauer suggested that he come to the P&Z Boazd Meetings and he will know so that the word can be put out for everyone to attend these meetings. • Minutes -Planning and Zoning Advisory Board Meeting 10/06/2005 Page 10 • Vice Chair Okun noted if anyone in the group has the ability to do a CARD, visual presentation of what they are looking for, and what they do not want; he felt that visual representation would go a long way to make non-boaters understand the standards that they are trying to mold. He suggested they also recruit non-boaters in the community. Chair Schauer indicated she does not own a boat. Mr. Peter Carras, resident of River Drive noted as the ordinance is written he would also be in violation. He felt about 85% of the boat owners the way it is proposed would be in violation. He mentioned he is in the real estate business, and felt it would be tough to explain to these people that we used to have boats here, but now they can not because the way the ordinance is written. He stressed property values will go down because of that. He noted pickup trucks, utility trucks with ladders that stick up need to be enforced. He felt if the police was enforcing that, that is one item to address. He suggested the boats should be separated from the pickup trucks. Mr. Melton Jackson, resident of Fairway East felt most people in his community do not own a boat, and he does not have a boat. He pointed out he felt people should be allowed to have boats, because we live in an area with lots of water, and outdoor activities. He explained it is wonderful to have a boat. He mentioned as to property values, he felt if there were no restrictions on how people maintain their • property and keep the boat in a reasonable manner in relation to the neighbors he felt property values would go down. He mentioned look across the street from the south gate of the Country Club, and they can see an area that has no restrictions. Chair Schauer noted he was speaking about unincorporated County, in Bermuda Terrace. Mr. Jackson felt that was an example of zero restrictions. He commented from what he has heard he feels Tequesta is moving in the right direction. He noted there has to be some restrictions and requirements so that people will abide by them. Vice Chair Okun noted it is a point well taken, and what the Village does not want is for Tequesta to look like a boat yard. He indicated what the Village wants is residential areas that have a good balance that allow for recreational use and putting boats on their properties. He felt that can be done, but it takes a boater or someone that understands boats to create the balance that is needed. Mr. Vince Arena, resident of Tequesta Drive noted he represents the homeowner's who are not part of a HOA. He commented most residents feel that there are not problems with the old rules in their area. He indicated they are also in the process of getting a petition going to go ahead and fight this the way it is written. He noted the proposal has restricted the height, and four sides where it will eliminate most of the boats in the community. He stressed if there is going to be a change they want 100% input into the process. • Minutes -Planning and Zoning Advisory Board Meeting 10/06/2005 Page 11 Mr. Camas noted the Department of Transportation (DOT) regulates what the boat • trailer can be, and that it can not be more 8 '/z feet wide and 13 '/z feet high. He noted anything more than can not be put on the road. He indicated there were special permits to have a 10 foot wide, but that needed to be renewed every year. Board Member Wilder noted the current ordinance was written many years ago, and it was written at the time when boats were very small. He commented the fence and the scrub recommendations covered up all of the boats in Tequesta. He mentioned the proposed ordinance came to the Board a couple of months ago because of the growth, and the boats. He mentioned people were complaining the boats were sticking up above their fences and hedges, and they wanted to make a change in the rules. He commented that is how these proposed changes came about. He noted Community Development is working with the community to gather information to come up with an alternative. He noted it looks like the Village is going to change the original law, but if it is going to allow a 13 '/Z foot boat, or 20 foot boat, he did not know. He indicated that is why the Village is getting input from the community so that they could draft a law that is acceptable to everyone. Vice Chair Okun suggested not letting people write and amend the ordinance that have not been involved in the process. Village Clerk Carlisle noted the residents could go on the Village website and email their comments and concerns, and those will' be forwarded to Council. • Mr. Bob Van Curren resident of Church Road suggested if there is going to be an advisory board meeting to put a sign up out front the Public Safety Facility like they do for the Council Meetings. Chair Schauer indicated the meetings are noticed in the Palm Beach Post on Mondays, in the local section. She mentioned the boat ordinance was not scheduled for this evenings meeting. She suggested the sign request be forwarded to the Village Manager for consideration. Mr. Jack Lictenburg, resident of Golfview Drive asked how many people complained that caused this ordinance to be revised. Board Member Cook noted the Board does not know that. Mr. Lictenburg noted it would be nice to know how many people complained. Chair Schauer explained the previous Community Development Director had spoke with her and he stated Council had received numerous emails regarding the proposed ordinance after it had gone to Planning and Zoning Board. She noted there were over 40 emails that Council had received. Mr. Lictenburg indicated he did not own a boat, but he liked having the boats in his neighborhood. Board Member Cook suggested he call the Village Manager or Assistant Village Manager Garlo to find out how many people had originally complained to cause the ordinance to be revised. Mr. Arena questioned why does the Village allow bigger houses, bigger cars. He felt it was tough to buy a little boat, and who would want a little boat out in the ocean. He noted he did not want a smaller boat. He commented that boats were • bigger now. Minutes -Planning and Zoning Advisory Board Meeting 10/06/2005 Page 12 • Boazd Member Wilder commented that is the reason the Village is trying to change the law, because the law makes half the people who own boats illegal. Mr. Arena felt the proposed ordinance was not helping the people with bigger boats become legal. He felt it was telling them to find a home for it. Boazd Member Wilder noted the ordinance has not been written yet, that this was a preliminazy draft. Vice Chair Okun noted these residents have made enough noise to wake up everyone, and knowing that someone is looking at this, the Village needs to do a better job with it. Chair Schauer noted the Boazd went through an adult entertainment ordinance and the adult azcade ordinance and it would have been nice to have this many people involved in the process; She noted that was with three meetings. She commented it is not a done deal after one meeting, and then it has to go to Council. She commented they aze a sounding Board, and the final product goes to Council. She indicated she would contact everyone when it comes before the Boazd again. Vice Chair Okun suggested they reach out to other boaters that aze not part of a single community. He noted the Boazd was going to look for that kind of balance in the input. He suggested if they mobilize and make their fellow boaters awaze of it, and if they do pull a meeting together that is more than just the Country Club, they may very well be able to craft 75% of the ordinance themselves. Chair Schauer suggested a workshop on this item. She asked just by a show of hands would they just like to have the boat ordinance as the only thing reviewed • by the Boazd on a workshop agenda. Vice Chair Okun suggested it be advertised. Chair Schauer felt everyone could work together; she noted about 20 were in favor of a workshop. Board Member Cook commented the Board does not make the ordinance; Staff brings the ordinance to the Boazd, so they may want to sit down with the people drafting the ordinance. Vice Chair Okun noted it was the P&Z Attorney drafting the ordinance. Chair Schauer suggested it not be a Workshop; that it be a Special meeting so that the Boazd could move it forwazd. Board Member von Frank asked if he could make a presentation. He asked if the Board has read Ordinance 599, creating the Planning and Zoning Advisory Boazd. He mentioned the criteria is in the ordinance, and is discussed under Supplemental criteria. He stated it says in the code "what is appropriate to the surroundings". He mentioned Mr. Horniman had brought up to Council, and Boazd Member Wilder was present, and the very thing that they have been discussing this evening, has been brought before Council. He pointed out what his recommendation would be for the Boazd to sit down with Council to get their input, and they present the Board's thinking. He commented in regard to the Atlantis project what he would be presenting to Council is a hand drawing of Tequesta as it appeazs today, and another drawing as Tequesta would look like with development of the various projects. He felt if the Atlantis project was approved, it would make way for others. • Minutes -Planning and Zoning Advisory Board Meeting 10/06/2005 Page 13 • Chair Schauer asked the Village Clerk to make note that when the Board goes over the ordinance that the Community Development Director notify Board Attorney Roselli to be present at the Meeting. Ms. Betty Nagy, resident of Shay Place suggested the Board have a Special Meeting instead of a Workshop, so that the citizens could speak. Chair Schauer noted it would not be a Workshop. Vice Chair Okun indicated the Chair could call a Special Meeting at any time. Chair Schuaer stated the next Planning and Zoning Advisory Board meeting would be November 3, 2005, at 6:30 P.M. She mentioned she did not know if boat ordinance would be on the next meeting. She indicated she does have all the phone numbers of everyone that spoke this evening and she would notify them. She noted Council has the right to undo what the Board has done. She mentioned Council has the right to come to any of the P&Z meetings, and sometimes they do. She indicated Mr. Von Frank, when he was on Council, Ms. Watkins, Mr. Humpage, Ms. Genco, and Mr. Paterno has attended the meetings. She mentioned the ordinance would have two readings. She noted the public should attend both readings, because after the first reading, after public comments, etc, Council may change the ordinance on Second Reading. Vice Chair Okun mentioned the likelihood of it falling apart after it has been put together, if it is put together properly, is very remote. He noted P&Z Board does put together the recommendation, and Council relies on their recommendation. Chair Schauer commented Council does read the Board's minutes. Board Member von Frank • suggested the Board should also read the Council minutes. Chair Schauer noted Mr. Horniman has input also so he can tell the new Community Development Director when she comes on. Ms. Muriel Johnson resident of Lighthouse Circle commented on the proposed regulations for pickup trucks. She indicated she lived in Tequesta Trace and questioned whether the ordinance would affect her. Chair Schauer indicated it would affect all the residential zoning areas east of the railroad tracks. VI. ANY OTHER MATTERS MOTION: Board Member von Frank moved to adjourn the meeting; seconded by Vice Chair Okun; motion passed S-0. Therefore the meeting was adjourned at 8:03 P.M. Gwen Carlisle, Village Clerk